New Rule

[Diyon]

The purpose of this is twofold:
(1) incentivise healers to join raids so the classic "waiting for a healer to join" senario is lessened.
(2) give some credit where credit is due.

Melee say "my loot" for something they can't use on their toon or that healers should use their end rewards to replace pots used to promote the group completion. (This does not even take into account that many people do not even have a raiding healer or run them with any frequency... ahem... Shade (although normally good about reimbursing))

I'm not really sure how many major pots drop in a single raid, but it is probably not that much. I am guessing 4-5 on a high end. However, I have never gone back over the entire loot log to see for any raid in general.

The reality is that not many people "want to give" pots to healers regardless of how well the did or did not do. This has positively resulted in quite s few healers stating "I'm not drinking pots" or "@#$@$ playing a healer I'm TRing to a melee." I personally like raiding and playing my DPS on occasion and hate waiting for a healer to join. However, if you all are content to wait around for a pug healer that you will invariably shaft because of your low DPS causing inordinate time to complete where the healer has to keep up healing and use resources to do so, fine with me. I will restrict my healers to running with raid groups I know and keep them on anon.

As for farming 20 reds in 4-5 days on a blue bar I would like more info on that. Last I checked the reds had a 1 in 6 drop rate from Epic VON only that has a timer of 66 hours between runs. Best case getting a red every run that still means almost 55 days to get 20 reds. Unless you are talking farming epic scrolls and selling for reds. Then maybe I see that.

I get what you're saying, but I think this is a bad solution, as I said, if anything it will just cause lots of drama.

Now then, people should be more generous to those healers that have spent potions to get them through a raid.

The real problem comes down to the frequent needing of heavy potion use that should be addressed. For example, the end rewards by class option slots potions in for end rewards more heavily on blue bar types. Increasing this chance further would be one way to help deal with this problem (Yes, we can't do that as players, but I think the core issue is something that needs to be addressed by Turbine, not us).

In any case, people can help contribute more, that's not a bad thing. But if I passed every potion I got immediately on my melees, then there would never be potions for those times when some caster does some exceptional work to save a raid and drinks bunches of potions. So that would mean I pretty much have none lying around, and the healer that used 20 potions may only get 4-5 back from the chests in passing, rather than the 4-5 from me alone, and possibly some from others in a similar situation as me.

[somenewnoob]

All the sp potions I find on my fighter get passed to a healer.

MY CLERIC.

[Meat-Head]

While I think players should be giving some resources for healers and casters (in heavy caster dependant quests), forcing anyone to do anything with his/her loot is a bad idea, for example this melee you just blacklisted migth be saving up mama pots for time when he plays his own healer, paladids may sometime drink a mana pot (but rather not a major one) for heals, smites etc.

This. I use melee to harvest pots for divines. Just taking them on my divine does not cut it.


Also, to nitpick, Pallys don't use sp for smites. You're thinking of divine sacrifice. :P


HOWEVER, I DO think there needs to be more peer pressure to hand over pots at the end of a raid if a healer pulled everyone through and it was a tough fight etc.. Don't see enough of that still.

[Chai]

To all the people who say no.

I am out of SP, it's the 2nd round in part4 of the shroud, the other healer is dead, Arry's on 25%.

Do you expect me to drink a pot?

If I don't we all die. If I do we will kill arry and all get loot from part4, 5 and end reward. And it costs you nothing.

If it took you a full bar of mana to heal through 75% of his HP, its likely not going to cost you a mere one pot to finish it off.

If its looking like youll have to guzzle the group to victory, let it fail.

Im ok with handing mana pots to healers who used potions int he raid but I usually dont just shift my loots to the healers.