New Rule

[Metaljaw]

Case and point:

Echrono - 4 pots used and 100+ heal scrolls.

Payback? Notta. Even asked for people to just leave some trash loot to recoup the cost of the scrolls. Notta.

[sweez]

To all the people who say no.

I am out of SP, it's the 2nd round in part4 of the shroud, the other healer is dead, Arry's on 25%.

Do you expect me to drink a pot?

Assuming it's a normal shroud, nope. Any group that drinks pots in a normal shroud run just doesn't deserve a completion. In elite shroud you'll get pots handed to you unless other party members hate you

[sweez]

Case and point:

Echrono - 4 pots used and 100+ heal scrolls.

Payback? Notta. Even asked for people to just leave some trash loot to recoup the cost of the scrolls. Notta.

Yep, too bad that on a bluebar you can't farm out 20 reds in 4-5 days, so those 4 pots really hurt your pocket.

Oh, wait...

Anyway, since one of the latest updates, majors are dropping like candy from quest lvl 15+ end-rewards. TRed one of my melees recently, must have sent some 40 pots over.

[twigzz]

I think I've been givin pots like 3 times on my healer. Once was elite New Invasion I did for some TR's(these guys were awesome, mailed me tons of pots and plat) and once in a ToD. I've used many many pots just to watch the party loot them out of the end chest for keeps.

I used to never have probs drinking pots because I have so many but after not recouping any resources I've used to complete I now think twice about drinking them. *shrugs*

And drink pots in normal Shroud? Not a chance! lol

[smallstones]

To all the people who say no.

I am out of SP, it's the 2nd round in part4 of the shroud, the other healer is dead, Arry's on 25%.

Do you expect me to drink a pot?

If I don't we all die. If I do we will kill arry and all get loot from part4, 5 and end reward. And it costs you nothing.

See Below VV

Assuming it's a normal shroud, nope. Any group that drinks pots in a normal shroud run just doesn't deserve a completion. In elite shroud you'll get pots handed to you unless other party members hate you

Was going to say this exact thing. If I drink a pot in a pug run, it is my choice. If harry is only at 25% at the end of round 2, well, It's up to you if it's worth pots to carry them through.


However, I say no again, not that it isn't a good idea to help your divines, but because you say "I must pass" my loot. At the end of the day it is still my loot, and I'll pass them to whom I feel deserves them, or bank them for another day.

[Alaunra2010]

[edited]
Metaljaw,

Bill Maher is an idiot.

Your suggestion is [crazy].

/not signed.

[Hokiewa]

No. If you are constantly consuming pots and using 100+ heal scrolls in EChrono, I suspect a problem. It won't make you happy.

[ayondie]

/rant on

How about we actually pass pots to the healers/arcanes/bards.. hell any caster in general that deserve them. Such as if things get messy in a LOB or Hard TOD and they get everyone back and up and running again. Or say they just did an amazing job healing/dps'ing/holding etc then they should get a couple back. I'm not saying pass them more pots than they used but can it really hurt to help our casters out and reimburse them the amount of pots they used if its within reason?

Heres my train of thought if the pot use is excessive then there has to be a reason for that first. Secondly you cant expect melee to pass over that many pots. Secondly i dont seem the harm in asking melee maybe to toss maybe a couple pots to the various casters but being a caster or healer you know you are gonna have to use a pot or two on certain raids. You cant expect every run to be perfect.

/rant off

[wax_on_wax_off]

No, just no.

My blue bar alt can put that major pot to much more use than whatever gimpy hjealer only button mashing wow style divine I'm currently running with.

What? You want me to contribute beyond healing you? But I'm a hjealer?

[fuzzy1guy]

My melee toons have casters to support. I'm not giving them away for no reason.

And I can count on one hand the # of times someone has helped out my casters with pots that got used to save a disaster of a run too. Someone had to get the healers up, drink pots and rebuff the party. And it wasn't the melee toons.

So no way in hell am i giving up pots just because im on my melee.

[WruntJunior]

No. Pay back the pots a healer uses, yes...take away the pots from my healers and casters when they aren't in direct repayment - no.

[t0r012]

/sarcasm
yes your divine deserves all the majors my 400+% healing amp 70 AC monk, improved evasion, massive saves, 3 stuns, trip , jade tomb, aligning the heavens , and on and on, who didn't need more than a couple CMW to get him through an entire normal shroud.

sounds entirely completely fair to me.

/end sarcasm

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really though if i get over bold and play beyond my means and need lots of healing and fail a couple saves I'll pass a pot and or a couple rez scrolls and or a stack of heal scrolls but really just saying that casters should just get all the pots is silly.

[Quetzacoala]

I think this is a great idea... except I will make one tiny change

I will give healers my mnemonics... if I want to

[Metaljaw]

The purpose of this is twofold:
(1) incentivise healers to join raids so the classic "waiting for a healer to join" senario is lessened.
(2) give some credit where credit is due.

Melee say "my loot" for something they can't use on their toon or that healers should use their end rewards to replace pots used to promote the group completion. (This does not even take into account that many people do not even have a raiding healer or run them with any frequency... ahem... Shade (although normally good about reimbursing))

I'm not really sure how many major pots drop in a single raid, but it is probably not that much. I am guessing 4-5 on a high end. However, I have never gone back over the entire loot log to see for any raid in general.

The reality is that not many people "want to give" pots to healers regardless of how well the did or did not do. This has positively resulted in quite s few healers stating "I'm not drinking pots" or "@#$@$ playing a healer I'm TRing to a melee." I personally like raiding and playing my DPS on occasion and hate waiting for a healer to join. However, if you all are content to wait around for a pug healer that you will invariably shaft because of your low DPS causing inordinate time to complete where the healer has to keep up healing and use resources to do so, fine with me. I will restrict my healers to running with raid groups I know and keep them on anon.

As for farming 20 reds in 4-5 days on a blue bar I would like more info on that. Last I checked the reds had a 1 in 6 drop rate from Epic VON only that has a timer of 66 hours between runs. Best case getting a red every run that still means almost 55 days to get 20 reds. Unless you are talking farming epic scrolls and selling for reds. Then maybe I see that.

[Hobgoblin]

. Unless you are talking farming epic scrolls and selling for reds. Then maybe I see that.

ding ding ding!

We have a winner here!

But seriously, what about runs where healers dont use any pots? Should they still get pots over what they spent?

I may aggree with the idea of giving pots to the healers - but dont make me do it!

Hob

[Drakos]

In the vein of Bill Maher: New rule - all mnemonic pots in raids get shifted to healers from any melee. Casters and healers keep what they get.

I think this is extremely fair since the healers are the ones keeping the melee up (I don't know that many self sufficient DPS in a raid especially end game stuff). From someone that plays both I would be more that willing to trade those that drop on my DPS toons to healers. And as a healer I know that it would be nice to feel some love from the expecially needy DPS that sits there and takes it expecting a healer to keep him up.

Easy to enforce as well as the healers will remember whether or not it happened and either decide not to heal for that person/guild again. That and peer pressure can result in the handover of "accidentally" looted pots. That or the healer could just decide not to heal for the rest of the raid.

Thoughts?

Although I have no problem with donating to the healers in the group, and do so on a regular basis, I have to maintain that there is only one valid loot rule!

"Any loot in a chest is the sole property of the person whom it is assigned to, no one is allowed to dictate what they do with it!"

The healer may be the the one to keep you up fighting but the fighting is still just as important to the success of the mission.

[Postumus]

So would casters assign all weapons and armour that fall to them over to melees?

Sure they would. Right after they donated to the melee arms & armor repair fund.

[Postumus]

Case and point:

Echrono - 4 pots used and 100+ heal scrolls.

Payback? Notta. Even asked for people to just leave some trash loot to recoup the cost of the scrolls. Notta.

one scroll drop and you make back ten times what you spent, right?

[Tresorion]

I am for sticking anything into the veins of Bill Mahur /signed

[Spoprockel]

/not signed

I'll keep pots that drop under my name if the run was smooth / no pots were used.

I collect them on my rogue to send them to healers / casters who have used pots in raids i've been in when things went wrong.