/votekick - Kicking players from the party.

[Such755]

Don't add it.

[Kmnh]

I would love that. Imagine the fun at guild runs.

"oh look, Y is afk, let's votekick him out!"

[Dandonk]

This comes up once in a while.

I still vote no on votekick. Way too much potential for griefing, IMO.

[Jiirix]

This idea comes up form time to time and every time the majority is against it because:
It will lead to more grief not less. One time a @§$%& is kicked from a party and ten times a pugger is kicked from a guild raid to make space for a late joiner, 5 @§$%&s kick a newbie etc.
And back in the old days the leaders were able to kick in quests afain, but the devs and players decided that the game was better without this option.

[Aurora1979]

Ever been to a quest where you all had to gather at one spot to advance, and one guy was AFK \ piking? (For example: Partycrashers, the snitch, etc).
Ever had a guy who was deliberately piking, but you couldn't do anything about it?

I suggest we implet a voteKick system that will allow party members to remove people from their party even while in a quest area. Simple enough, the command will be /votekick (Player name here), and if the majority of the party (Or more, 75%) will vote for the same guy - He will be removed from the party.

I don't know about you guys, but I've seen it many times how one AFK \ piker can ruin it for an entire party, and I'm sick of it.

In theory I agree with you, but the others have explained very well how it would lead to griefing. ATM the best thing to do is recall, regroup and black list said player, If it annoys you that much.

Personally I dont mind someone going afk, real life comes first but if they went off as soon as we started, until the end and never said they were afk, I wouldnt let them in my group again. Especially if it is a "group must be together to proceed" type quest.

[Hephaistor]

Just blacklist anoying players, their bahavior won't get them far. You can't do much endgame with a bad reputation. Votekicks would lead to endless vendettas. Perhaps we should only alow them on Khyber, Sarlona and maybe Argo?

[flynnjsw]

/sarcasm

Great idea OP, maybe we should expand on that and add a World Event Notification that says " Player X was just Kicked for being a DB"

/sarcasm

Recall, reform without said DB, get the job done, and add to the DNG List.

[dunklezhan]

this is usually an idea rejected by the community for very good reasons. WoW has the ability to do this but in recent years its been locked down for those reasons. They compromise they have left their players with is that you can vote to do this ONCE per instance, and once only. Only the leader can prompt a vote, and you can't kick the leader. That tends to limit the jerk-factor in both directions.

But I still don't think its a good idea for DDO. If its that bad, recall, drop and reform without them.

[Havok.cry]

How about instead everyone gets a summon pikers button... No one gets greifed and you get to complete w/o wasting your time... Could be "monitered" like /stuck.

Edit: to flesh out this idea more, I would have it be an item in the ddo store for 10-15 tp, that summons a single target to you. I would have it send a "if you don't click in xx time you will be teleported to xx player's location." I would have it require the target to be in the same instance as the caster.

[Meetch1972]

How about instead everyone gets a summon pikers button... No one gets greifed and you get to complete w/o wasting your time... Could be "monitered" like /stuck.

Edit: to flesh out this idea more, I would have it be an item in the ddo store for 10-15 tp, that summons a single target to you. I would have it send a "if you don't click in xx time you will be teleported to xx player's location." I would have it require the target to be in the same instance as the caster.

*Devils advocate hat on* If I were a griefing piker, I'd grief that by clicking on No between forum trolling activities... or I might even buy them and use 'em on other party members when they afk for a bio - back in 2 mins, and make them run all the way through the quest again!

Sorry, it won't work. The only thing that works is recall/reform without 'em.

Edit: I can also see a few ways such a thing could be exploited, such as: 11 man shroud and a guildie turns up during the final fight. They enter, pretend to be a piker and get summoned to the end of part 5 - before or after completion (as long as the chests they want haven't been opened). There are many more possibilities.

[Havok.cry]

*Devils advocate hat on* If I were a griefing piker, I'd grief that by clicking on No between forum trolling activities... or I might even buy them and use 'em on other party members when they afk for a bio - back in 2 mins, and make them run all the way through the quest again!

Sorry, it won't work. The only thing that works is recall/reform without 'em.

Edit: I can also see a few ways such a thing could be exploited, such as: 11 man shroud and a guildie turns up during the final fight. They enter, pretend to be a piker and get summoned to the end of part 5 - before or after completion (as long as the chests they want haven't been opened). There are many more possibilities.

Exploiting it might be a problem, but if they are truly griefing you, then it should be able to be solved by a gm. GM checks that item was used and person refused it to confirm greifing, gm forces gather objective to complete.

As far as breaking raid lockouts, they have shown they can make items selectively able to be used or not with the challenges, and before that with cakes. I don't think any raids that lock people out have such gather objectives, so simply making it unusable specifically in those raids (or all raids not sure about that though) shouldn't be to big a deal.

[umeannothing]

then it should be able to be solved by a gm.
GM checks that
gm objective to complete.

Sorry, but do you know of a Gm that problem solves, checks anything, or helps complete objectives?


Devils advocate I know, but expecting a Gm is going to do anything is like expecting a monkey to not toss pooh at me when I take my kids to the zoo.

Yes, I avoid the monkeys now as well.

[Havok.cry]

Sorry, but do you know of a Gm that problem solves, checks anything, or helps complete objectives?


Devils advocate I know, but expecting a Gm is going to do anything is like expecting a monkey to not toss pooh at me when I take my kids to the zoo.

Yes, I avoid the monkeys now as well.

I have had GMs force complete objectives whenever a bug prevented them from completing. While GMs in this game have less tools to work with than in many games, they can do somethings, and forcing an objective to complete is among the things they can do. I am fairly sure turbine could give them the tools to check on the item's use, and weather or not a player clicked an option... Especially if the markers to check are built into the items functionality.

[Uska]

NO to this some people keep bringing it up its not going to happen in the past the leader could use it to grief people and it was removed and no a vote isnt better a group of guildies could at the last minute kick someone for one of their buddies and that wouldnt be cool

[somenewnoob]

Been suggested before, and it's still a completely effing horrible idea for all the reasons already pointed out.

No.

[Bogenbroom]

Been suggested before, and it's still a completely effing horrible idea for all the reasons already pointed out.

No.

Well, I wouldn't say it is a *horrible* idea. Just not practical. If it were ever to be re-implemented there would need to be serious limitations. For example:

Are you kicking an AFK/Piker? Give them 1 minute to reject the kick.
Rejecting a live party member? Track kickers for abuse maybe, or require GM intervention, or some such.

But in general, no... more trouble than it is worth.

[Miow]

Well, I wouldn't say it is a *horrible* idea. Just not practical. If it were ever to be re-implemented there would need to be serious limitations. For example:

Are you kicking an AFK/Piker? Give them 1 minute to reject the kick.
Rejecting a live party member? Track kickers for abuse maybe, or require GM intervention, or some such.

But in general, no... more trouble than it is worth.

Ddo can't track your items much less will they ever track such a thing, Gm? Really? I can see it now.



Your ticket has been closed.

[Cauthey]

A popularity contest that would risk removing my chance at loot after I participated and did my share throughout the entire raid? No, thank you.

/not signed.

There is a method for this - if someone is such a PITA, recall out and reform. This is not an unreasonable response to a player who is damaging everyone else's play experience.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

A popularity contest that would risk removing my chance at loot after I participated and did my share throughout the entire raid? No, thank you.

/not signed.

There is a method for this - if someone is such a PITA, recall out and reform. This is not an unreasonable response to a player who is damaging everyone else's play experience.

Apparently I gave you rep too recently...hmmm....

[umeannothing]

You forgot to add the issue is not in the known issues list, and you ALSO forgot to advise the player submit a bug report on the issue.

Geez.