MAX DPS ROGUE build(assassin 3 str build/guide)

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Cant go Marillith on a rogue, youll die like no tomorrow.

That doesn't even make any sense. Sure you'll lose evasion, but that's not the end of the world. The only place where you really need it is in normal questing, and against easy raid bosses. And even then, 500ish hp should be more than enough to make sure you stay alive.

And even if that is a big problem, just use a fire/air/air lob weapon in the off hand, and a holy burst, silver of gbane or lighting II in the main hand.

[bhgiant]

If I might make a suggestion... Everything looks awesome. Human would do more damage but you have a Horc so... balls. I would ditch Nyoko's Band and get a Ring of the Stalker from the Challenges. It have Seeker +6 and exceptional SA 3. This frees up your trinket for something else.

Overall amazing build though. Has given me some food for though about the TR I'm about to do (and by "about" I mean as soon as I buy some TP so that I can get an epic adventure pack and then earn the epic tokens needed to for the heart of wood...)

[Rogann]

If I might make a suggestion... Everything looks awesome. Human would do more damage but you have a Horc so... balls. I would ditch Nyoko's Band and get a Ring of the Stalker from the Challenges. It have Seeker +6 and exceptional SA 3. This frees up your trinket for something else.

Overall amazing build though. Has given me some food for though about the TR I'm about to do (and by "about" I mean as soon as I buy some TP so that I can get an epic adventure pack and then earn the epic tokens needed to for the heart of wood...)

Actually don't loose any dps loosing nyokos, just loose 20% less hate.

But yea rogue is fun

[grandeibra]

Yes you lose 20% threat, +2 to hit, both of which contribute to your dps You even said so yourself in the first post where you talk about threa being a necessity since you pull aggro often (= less dps till you lose it)

And again, as I and many others have mentioned, the last two abi items give you zero dps and less hp than many other setups

Also, still overall I like your build, apart from missing the rogue's most powerful aspect (personally I wish assassinate hadn't been introduced, instakills are boring to me, but since it is so awesome, I respecced my rogue for it)

[Rogann]

Yes you lose 20% threat, +2 to hit, both of which contribute to your dps You even said so yourself in the first post where you talk about threa being a necessity since you pull aggro often (= less dps till you lose it)

And again, as I and many others have mentioned, the last two abi items give you zero dps and less hp than many other setups

Also, still overall I like your build, apart from missing the rogue's most powerful aspect (personally I wish assassinate hadn't been introduced, instakills are boring to me, but since it is so awesome, I respecced my rogue for it)

Ahh yes +2 exceptional to-hit, good catch. Thought it only gave +3 to hit and +5 dmg to SA(which dosent stack)

Guess ninja spy is even better.

Id only swap to a GS hp necklace for insane fights like epic bloodplate room.

Yes assassinate is a good ability however, its not my kinda play style.

Im the one that charges in and starts fighting(ive played 20 monk/barb/blitz/fighter) before making a rogue.

I tryed the assassinate while lvling and it was great getting double insta kills but i just dont feel like doing it.

I should put something about assassinate in the post but meh, just dont like it.

[grandeibra]

aye agreed - "Yes assassinate is a good ability however, its not my kinda play style" - my sentiment exactly. I prefered rogues when instakill wasn't possible in epics but I didn't have the strength of character to stay away, so I "gave up" and joined em

and tbh, the ninja spy should be stacking exc sneak imho. maybe not as much as 5/8 but say 2/3 or something. Especially now that they have already taken that step with the new cannith item

[Rogann]

aye agreed - "Yes assassinate is a good ability however, its not my kinda play style" - my sentiment exactly. I prefered rogues when instakill wasn't possible in epics but I didn't have the strength of character to stay away, so I "gave up" and joined em

and tbh, the ninja spy should be stacking exc sneak imho. maybe not as much as 5/8 but say 2/3 or something. Especially now that they have already taken that step with the new cannith item

Well you could always tr

And yes The SA tod sets SHOULD stack.

[Zerkul]

This. Human or half elf would mean more damage, and more utility. I'd consider human since the extra feat is quite **** useful on a rogue.

Already TRed my rogue horc to human for this very reason. Good point.

[Rogann]

Already TRed my rogue horc to human for this very reason. Good point.

Yup. Im gonna have to tr into a Human Rogue now. Might do a monk life for +2 dmg, Depends on my 20th Tod list.

[MalarKan]

if its a pure rogue, you CANT start with 13 dex take a +4 tome and still get Greater Two weapon fighting. +4 tomes are minimum level 15, after 15 theres only one last feat you can take... so, up to level 15 you can only have a 16 dexterity base (asuming u got a +3 tome too).. and guess what, you need 17 dexterity for Improved Two Weapon Fighting AND Greater Two Weapon Fighting. So, unless you splash with another class you cant start with 13 dex, take a +4 dex tome and expect having greater two weapon fighting as a pure rogue

cheers

[Rogann]

if its a pure rogue, you CANT start with 13 dex take a +4 tome and still get Greater Two weapon fighting. +4 tomes are minimum level 15, after 15 theres only one last feat you can take... so, up to level 15 you can only have a 16 dexterity base (asuming u got a +3 tome too).. and guess what, you need 17 dexterity for Improved Two Weapon Fighting AND Greater Two Weapon Fighting. So, unless you splash with another class you cant start with 13 dex, take a +4 dex tome and expect having greater two weapon fighting as a pure rogue

cheers

Hmm i beleive you are correct sir.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Yup. Im gonna have to tr into a Human Rogue now. Might do a monk life for +2 dmg, Depends on my 20th Tod list.

Last time I checked monk PL only gives +1 damage (unless you are referring to having already gotten another monk PL for a total of +2).

[Rogann]

Last time I checked monk PL only gives +1 damage (unless you are referring to having already gotten another monk PL for a total of +2).

Yea id only do 2 monk tr's. But since a friend said it dosent stack with the guild ship buff of +2 dmg im not even gonna bother.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Yea id only do 2 monk tr's. But since a friend said it dosent stack with the guild ship buff of +2 dmg im not even gonna bother.

Just checked and even with 1 monk PL I still got +2 damage on my damage sheet when I got the buff.

I did also hear that Monk PL doesn't stack with Ranger PL for ranged weapons, not sure about that one either.

[destiny4405]

if its a pure rogue, you CANT start with 13 dex take a +4 tome and still get Greater Two weapon fighting. +4 tomes are minimum level 15, after 15 theres only one last feat you can take... so, up to level 15 you can only have a 16 dexterity base (asuming u got a +3 tome too).. and guess what, you need 17 dexterity for Improved Two Weapon Fighting AND Greater Two Weapon Fighting. So, unless you splash with another class you cant start with 13 dex, take a +4 dex tome and expect having greater two weapon fighting as a pure rogue

cheers

yep, but you can take any feat, then eat a +4 tome and use your free feat swap and take ITWF.

LR works also i think, because it applies your tomes on the lvl you eat them, not on the next one.
noticed this when i LR'ed my rogue. i got one more skill point at lvl 7 (from +2 int tome).

[destiny4405]

Yea id only do 2 monk tr's. But since a friend said it dosent stack with the guild ship buff of +2 dmg im not even gonna bother.

afaik, only thing that doesn't stack with +2 ship buff damage is the cove trinket that gives you +1 damage. not sure if this was WAI or no.

[MalarKan]

yep, but you can take any feat, then eat a +4 tome and use your free feat swap and take ITWF.

LR works also i think, because it applies your tomes on the lvl you eat them, not on the next one.
noticed this when i LR'ed my rogue. i got one more skill point at lvl 7 (from +2 int tome).

Hmmmm if that's the case, then it's not WAI. Tomes are suposed to take effect the next level you read them, and it should work the same on LR. However, let's keep it quiet :P . But still, in my personal case (f2p and an extremely vague chance to put my hands on a LR heart) i wouldnt dare to try it :P

[destiny4405]

Tomes are suposed to take effect the next level you read them

yes, if you want to quallify for something when you're taking a lvl, but when you lvl up and use tome, you don't wait for the next one to take effect. a +2 str tome used at lvl 7 gives you +2 str once you used it.

it doesn't really mater. you can wait for lvl 16 and then swap a feat for ITWF (you can even fit GTWF if you have a flawless).

the point is, you can fit all feats even with 13 starting dex if you have +4 tome

[MalarKan]

yes, if you want to quallify for something when you're taking a lvl, but when you lvl up and use tome, you don't wait for the next one to take effect. a +2 str tome used at lvl 7 gives you +2 str once you used it.

it doesn't really mater. you can wait for lvl 16 and then swap a feat for ITWF (you can even fit GTWF if you have a flawless).

the point is, you can fit all feats even with 13 starting dex if you have +4 tome

hehe, nice... well, my problem is that im TR'ing again and its another 36 pt build.. and if going 13 base dex, still have 1 stat point for spare... so its going on dex anyways and will have 14 starting after all xD

[Fallout]

Just checked and even with 1 monk PL I still got +2 damage on my damage sheet when I got the buff.

I did also hear that Monk PL doesn't stack with Ranger PL for ranged weapons, not sure about that one either.

Thought monk PL was melee only? Someone else told me its for unarmed damage only, not sure if it applies to regular melee weapons? Sometimes these descriptions are not clear what they do.

Off Topic but does anyone know the TOD set, either Ninja Spy or Assasin set, are the sneak attack to-hit regular to-hit or exceptional to-hit? Wonder if it stacks with Raven set.