New Challenge items

[LeLoric]

Elemental greataxe of fire

2d12 base dmg
+5 enhancement
Flaming Burst
Brilliance
Metalline
Greater incineration
Magma Surge
Greater fire resistance

Elemental rapier of air

2d6 base
+5 enhancment
shocking burst
screaming
improved roaring
greater sirocco dc 35 reflex
Slicing winds (rare proc to do slashing dmg to target over several seconds)
Greater Lightning resistnace

Elemental Khopesh of Water

2d8 base
+5 enhancement
icy burst
imp paralyzing
crushing wave (lists this twice actually)
Freezing Ice
Greater Cold Resistance

Elemental Long Bow of Earth

+5 enhancement
Acid Burst
Greater Acid arrow (2-8 every two seconds)
Greater Stone Prison
Improved Destruction
Disintegrate
Greater Acid Resistance

All 4 gain a colorless slot and +6 on tier two and a red on tier 3

[Thrudh]

They need the opposite greater resists on those...

Putting greater fire resist on a weapon that has a bunch of fire effects is pointless. You're not going to be using that weapon against fire-based critters, and cold-based critters aren't going to attack you with fire...

It should be:
2d12 base dmg
+5 enhancement
Flaming Burst
Brilliance
Metalline
Greater incineration
Magma Surge
Greater cold resistance

[Avidus]

They need the opposite greater resists on those...

Putting greater fire resist on a weapon that has a bunch of fire effects is pointless. You're not going to be using that weapon against fire-based critters, and cold-based critters aren't going to attack you with fire...

It should be:
2d12 base dmg
+5 enhancement
Flaming Burst
Brilliance
Metalline
Greater incineration
Magma Surge
Greater cold resistance

Exactly this ^^

As it stands now the resists could have been left off completely and it wouldn't make a difference.
Swap the resists to the opposite element and you have fairly desirable, if still situational, weapons.

Just my opinion of course...

[Yan_PL]

They need the opposite greater resists on those...

Putting greater fire resist on a weapon that has a bunch of fire effects is pointless. You're not going to be using that weapon against fire-based critters, and cold-based critters aren't going to attack you with fire...

It should be:
2d12 base dmg
+5 enhancement
Flaming Burst
Brilliance
Metalline
Greater incineration
Magma Surge
Greater cold resistance

this. make it happen. make me smile.

[Aerendil]

Looking at that rapier....

So at T3 level 16, you could have:
+5 weapon, 1d6 damage, shocking burst (1d6 electric; 1d10 on crit), screaming (1d6 sonic), improved roaring (shaken; 2d6 sonic on crit), sirocco, and slicing winds (dmg DoT I presume). Plus a +3 craftable slot - unsure if this can be improved at all, but even at +3 that's enough to throw another effect on (flaming, frost, etc.) plus pure good.

So each hit you're looking at 1d6+5 +1d6 electric +1d6 sonic +1d6 random element from crafting +1d6 pure good.
On crits, which are frequent on a rapier, add in +1d10 electric and +2d6 sonic. Oh, and throw in +1d4 from force critical crafted.

That's a lot of combat spam.


Curious if that's worth it for a Tempest II character, or if the offhand 100% swing rate will be more beneficial to go with a Calomel weapon or that new Khopesh for the higher Crushing Wave proc chance. Hmm...


PS - for those curious, the khopesh now reads to have fire resistance on Llama; and the greataxe now has cold resistance. The rapier still shows lightning resist, and the bow acid resist :/

[Faent]

Oh, and throw in +1d4 from force critical crafted. That's a lot of combat spam.

A rapier benefits more from Force Damage than Force Critical. If you slot Force Crit on this item, you've made a mistake. In fact, Force Damage beats Force Crit on ANY weapon. There is no good reason to slot Force Crit. This is also reflected in the ingredients you need. Force Crit ingredients are much more easily come by.

[Yan_PL]

A rapier benefits more from Force Damage than Force Critical. If you slot Force Crit on this item, you've made a mistake. In fact, Force Damage beats Force Crit on ANY weapon. There is no good reason to slot Force Crit. This is also reflected in the ingredients you need. Force Crit ingredients are much more easily come by.

is that so? let's see, force crit is 1d4 on crit, averaging to 2.5
improved critical = 6/19 hits are critting. 6/19 * 2.5 = 15/19 < 1.

but now, assume we're having seeker +6 on something and exceptional seeker +2 and gloves, but we hit only on 9+.
if we miss on 8 or lower, but have +8 to confirm crits, suddenly half of our successful hits result in crits. 2.5*6/12 = 15/12.

Now, when we consider the fact that rapier is one of fav weapons of finesse dex builds, and you can't raise your dex as high as you can raise your str, question raises: are you able to hit with rapier on attack roll of 5? if so, go with force damage. if not, go with force critical and seeker stuff.

[Riggs]

And yeah being able to pick an element for your weapon of choice would be a lot nicer than being stuck on one. (The level 20 mage crafters making the weapons dont know how to put ice on an axe? or earth on a staff? sheesh)

Seriously - customization is what people want. Getting shafted into narrow choices that many people do not want is getting really old.

[voodoogroves]

Force Critical is/was the hotness when things auto-crit ... but alas ... times gone by ...

[LordPiglet]

Force Critical is/was the hotness when things auto-crit ... but alas ... times gone by ...

My maiming rock splitters are still in my exploiters hot bar

[Riggs]

They need the opposite greater resists on those...

Putting greater fire resist on a weapon that has a bunch of fire effects is pointless. You're not going to be using that weapon against fire-based critters, and cold-based critters aren't going to attack you with fire...

It should be:
2d12 base dmg
+5 enhancement
Flaming Burst
Brilliance
Metalline
Greater incineration
Magma Surge
Greater cold resistance

thematically it half makes sense, but only half.

You have a weapon enchanted to hold elemental fire - ergo it should also have the power to protect you from that same element (like the old rings of elemental command) - so with the power of fire you could walk into a fire and not get hurt etc.

However the weapon should ALSO give the opposite resist as well. If you are on fire - cold is not going to affect you as much as it would normally no? Even an elemental would/should have resistance to a certain amount of the opposite element - but the elemental would then get double damage that occurs over the resisted amount - once your threshold is passed, water/cold would/should affect a fire much greater after a critical mass, and same once a fire/heat gets past the amount needed to really affect a body of water/ice - it goes overboard.

So an air/earth weapon should have electric/acid resist, and cold/fire weapons cold/fire resist.

[krogyy]

They need the opposite greater resists on those...

Putting greater fire resist on a weapon that has a bunch of fire effects is pointless. You're not going to be using that weapon against fire-based critters, and cold-based critters aren't going to attack you with fire...

It should be:
2d12 base dmg
+5 enhancement
Flaming Burst
Brilliance
Metalline
Greater incineration
Magma Surge
Greater cold resistance

actually it seems to be the case for the lvl16 verions, but only for the greataxe and khopesh.

[LeLoric]

Can also trade in excess Epic collectibles for Epic dungeon tokens.

Normal collectibles can be swapped for minor xp/slayer/crafting/reknown boosts or vendor bought potions.

Also collectibles can now be used to purchase a crafting ingredient satchels of various sizes.

[Ayseifn]

Can also trade in excess Epic collectibles for Epic dungeon tokens.

Normal collectibles can be swapped for minor xp/slayer/crafting/reknown boosts or vendor bought potions.

Also collectibles can now be used to purchase a crafting ingredient satchels of various sizes.

How many collectables per pot/epic token?

[TheDearLeader]

How many collectables per pot/epic token?

300 Collectables = 1 Epic Dungeon Token.
5 Collectables = 1 Epic Dungeon Token Fragment.

[Ziindarax]

Can also trade in excess Epic collectibles for Epic dungeon tokens.

Normal collectibles can be swapped for minor xp/slayer/crafting/reknown boosts or vendor bought potions.

Also collectibles can now be used to purchase a crafting ingredient satchels of various sizes.

By Normal, you mean the normal challenge mats right? If that's the case, I am gonna stock up on a ton of those things EXP and slayer boosters!

[TheDearLeader]

The Screenshots weren't good enough?

Tier 2 - +6 Enhancement Bonus, Colorless Slot
Tier 3 - Red Slot

Yes, the Khopesh says "Crushing Wave" twice.

[LeLoric]

The Screenshots weren't good enough?

Thanks for the screenies but this thread was already up before you posted those dont get too upset man.