help please with LR and tome question

[kendo]

I have tried looking both on wiki and in the forums but haven't found a clear answer to something and hope someone can help.

I am looking to LR a character to repair several mistakes in attribute points and feats. I have some tomes banked, so I am planning on factoring those into the reallocated stat points.

for example, I have a +1 Intel tome in the bank, so am planning on starting at an odd number in Intel at creation. but here's what I am not sure about. I know if I had already used the tome, that my Intel stat would be boosted by 1 at level 3 during the LR process. but what if I haven't already used it, do I have an option to use the tome at lvl 3, before moving on to lvl 4 on the ship? or do you have to plan all that out in advance and use the tomes before reincarnating?

thanks of any help

[dopey69]

it does not matter when you take them before or after they still kick in at lvl

also you may want to set your build up for a pluss 2 tome on your main stats, as they are fairly ez to come by at higher lvls

[kendo]

it does not matter when you take them before or after they still kick in at lvl

also you may want to set your build up for a pluss 2 tome on your main stats, as they are fairly ez to come by at higher lvls

so, are you saying that I will be able to use a tome after leveling to 3 but before leveling to 4? because it would make a big difference in skill points depending on when the +1 to intel gets aplied.

[whitehawk74]

dont know the answer, but I have wondered the same thing.
if I eat a +1 or +2 tome, I will probably get more skill points, but will I get extra skill points for the levels that I didnt have that extra INT or is it retro active?

example. if I have INT 10 at level 10, then i eat a INT +2 tome, when I level to 11, will I get 10 levels of extra skill points for having more INT or just the level that I read the tome at?

[Therigar]

The answer is that you CAN use the tomes at the appropriate levels during the reincarnation.

What I want to ask you is this: If you know you want to use the tomes why not just do so before you reincarnate? That way the bonus gets applied automatically, as you already know.

It seems to me your reason is because you don't want to plan out the stats in advance. But, that sounds to me like you are just winging it as you did already getting the character to the point it is now. And that didn't seem to work out so well for you.

My advice is that you should ALWAYS plan out your character in advance. If you do that then it won't matter that you used the tomes before reincarnating because you'll know the final stats ahead of time for each level.

But, to answer your question directly -- YES you can use the tomes between levels if that is how you want to do it.

What you cannot do is use action points on enhancements. You will first gain all your levels and assign your skill points as you go along. Then, after you've gotten all your levels then you will have the chance to spend your action points for enhancements.

[Tembyr]

Especially in the example you describe I would use the +1 int tome if you start with odd base int. You will lose nothing by doing it and if I recall correctly eaten tomes when reincarnating are applied automatically at the beginning of the level (for example 3) which means your int modifier will be 1 higher at level 3 which will give you one more skill point. Perhaps not a big deal depending on your build, but I mean: it's free ^^.

[Therigar]

if I recall correctly eaten tomes when reincarnating are applied automatically at the beginning of the level (for example 3)

This is not correct. If you use the tomes before reincarnating you will not see the effects of a +1 tome until you take L4, or of a +2 tome until you take L8. They will show AFTER you have finished the leveling process at L3 and L7 but not during. So you do not get the benefits of higher INT for more skill points, for example, until L4 or L8.

[Hobgoblin]

This is not correct. If you use the tomes before reincarnating you will not see the effects of a +1 tome until you take L4, or of a +2 tome until you take L8. They will show AFTER you have finished the leveling process at L3 and L7 but not during. So you do not get the benefits of higher INT for more skill points, for example, until L4 or L8.

i dont think this is correct.

i remember doing a lr on my pally and getting 2 skill pts at 6 and 3 pts at level 7

but i may misrember

hob

[Therigar]

i dont think this is correct.

It is absolutely correct unless the game has changed in the last 2 days.

[Ganolyn]

dont know the answer, but I have wondered the same thing.
if I eat a +1 or +2 tome, I will probably get more skill points, but will I get extra skill points for the levels that I didnt have that extra INT or is it retro active?

example. if I have INT 10 at level 10, then i eat a INT +2 tome, when I level to 11, will I get 10 levels of extra skill points for having more INT or just the level that I read the tome at?

Skill points are not retroactive in this case. You will get extra points only for the levels that apply after your Int is raised.

[whitehawk74]

Skill points are not retroactive in this case. You will get extra points only for the levels that apply after your Int is raised.

Thanks...
It's one of those questions I have asked and gotten 'probably / probably not' as an answer.

[kendo]

The answer is that you CAN use the tomes at the appropriate levels during the reincarnation.

What I want to ask you is this: If you know you want to use the tomes why not just do so before you reincarnate? That way the bonus gets applied automatically, as you already know.

It seems to me your reason is because you don't want to plan out the stats in advance. But, that sounds to me like you are just winging it as you did already getting the character to the point it is now. And that didn't seem to work out so well for you.

My advice is that you should ALWAYS plan out your character in advance. If you do that then it won't matter that you used the tomes before reincarnating because you'll know the final stats ahead of time for each level.

But, to answer your question directly -- YES you can use the tomes between levels if that is how you want to do it.

What you cannot do is use action points on enhancements. You will first gain all your levels and assign your skill points as you go along. Then, after you've gotten all your levels then you will have the chance to spend your action points for enhancements.

thank you for the information, though the tone of the rest of your reply was a little less than helpful and one should be a little careful about what one "assumes". actually, I do plan out characters, which is why this one needs a little tweaking. I didn't "wing" it originally and not "winging" it now. this was one of my first characters and has been shelved for some time.

he was created:

- back when level cap was 14

- before ftp and consequently, the DDO store to buy whatever goodies you want

- before epic items

- before crafting

- before guild ships and their crazy extra buffs

- back when we farmed Tangleroot because the +3 str/dex items were some of the best you could find

- back when tomes were very rare, +1s were a very nice bonus and +2s, I believe, were the highest you could get. and you either found them for yourself or paid a high price on the AH

- back when we thought listen and spot were basically equal in functionality so we pumped listen on a Barb because it is a class skill and spot isn't. and we thought swim and a few other class skills were useful.

- back when you couldn't get such higher + bonuses to stats, like Dex. so if you wanted a bit more Dex to avoid traps, etc, you took it in your original build not with +7 items, ship buffs and +3 or 4 tomes.

- before 32 point builds, or at least before that could be bought from the store and getting it with favor was a very long term proposition.

so he's a 28 point build, with a few stat points spread out where they no longer need to be, skills pumped into listen and swim, etc. I don't want to delete him, so he's going to get a greater heart to move to a 32 point build and I have a few tomes sitting in the bank that I will probably give him. just wanted to make sure how the reincarnation process worked as this will be only the second time I have put a character through it and the first time, tomes weren't part of the equation.