Booted from party because of a share request

[HAL]

Now let me just comment on your last remark. I believe that if you think the DDO community is rude and rejecting, you should take the PUG tour in say.... world of warcraft? I really insist you do. Its F2P now even for the first levels, and you can in fact PUG with the auto LFG tool for instances during those levels. See how the community is there, and then and only then come back here and mock the DDO community.

Cogdoc

Yea, since other communities are even more rude, our level of rudeness is completely acceptable!

[paulyne]

I understand the share-function as a help if you are f.e. at entrance to hound or vod and someone forgot to take it, so no one has to run back or wait 10mins for someone to run again.. this happened a lot before "share" was implemented, even though everyone knew about it and people reminded everyone a few times before we started (usualy happened to the person who reminded everyone )

share was not implemented so that no one has to bother talking to questnps anymore..

i wont kick anyone for asking, but it is annoying if the questgiver is standing right in front of the quest. it just shows that the person asking is not using his/her brain at the moment

and i even met people who didnt even know where a questgiver is because people always shared it with them..

[Habreno]

Depends on the quest/raid:

Raids I usually share upon fill, to make sure everyone has it and is off their timer. Yes, this would include Shroud where the quest giver is right there.

For normal q's, I'll usually share IF YOU ASK NICELY. If the first things I see are "Shr plz" or along those lines, I'll usually wait until I feel like it. And usually it will be someone else who will share it.

Walkups is an instant boot if it's the first thing you say. If we're in a conversation and you're clearly joking around, I'll probably share it for kicks.

[Vint]

Most of you have it just plain wrong.

Asking for a share does not mean the person asking is lazy. It means the person asking for it wants to get to the quest as fast as possible as not to hold up the group, so you don't have to run to the quest giver, and the quest destination is highlighted on the map making it easier and faster to get to.

So just get off your high horses, move your mouse, and share the freakin' quest already so we can all get started.

Sheeeesh. Big effort to share a quest.

/popcorn

...J

I will share with them the following: http://ddowiki.com/page/Category:Quests

They can learn what they are doing the same way I did. Hint: It was not mooching.

[Enoach]

Sharing a quest is not a big deal - Open up the Panel, select Quest and click share...

I use to mind all the share please requests and took them as being rude - remember perception of a request is stronger then the request itself. I have come to the realization that many do not know there way around Stormreach. I have also come to realize that these people are missing half of the content because they don't/won't read the clues that a quest giver has for them.

Now I take the time to explain to people when a quest can't be shared - Such as it has a pre-requirement, such as level restriction, another quest or has a known bug like VoN5 had. I will also explain about NPCs that are not Quest Givers, but Quest Line Coordinators such as Lordsmarch and Maddness quest lines.

Sharing the quest as a Raid Leader also helps weed out the not flagged or the still on timer crowd. It also prevents recalls for things like raids in the subterranean.

Sharing the quest also can help those who don't know where the quest is, get a better sense of direction.

However, I can't help but snicker when a person is standing right next to me, while I'm standing next to the Quest Entrance which is two steps from the Quest Giver.

[Rawel_San]

First: so common internet "words" are out of bounds for you? Do you kick people for typing "LOL" instead of "Laughing Out Loud"? If not then you're being a hypocrit.

Second: we're not talking ONLY about LFM that say "Know the Quest". If you only group with people who already know the quest and say so in your LFM, that's fine. But this thread is not specifically about that.

LoL and plz are a world apart. As is u and rofl and a number of others. Lol, rofl, , are essentially emotcions
that try to convey a very long ("laughing out loud", "rolling on the floor laughing") phrase or feeling. They don't
actually mean what the phrase does either. How many people that type lol, or rofl are ACTUALLY doing what
the phrases indicate? They have their own established meaning as emoticons, to allow us to convey non verbal
emotions through our keyboard.

On the other hand "plz","u","4", "@" are txt speak, and in that arena make sense (you're texting on a tiny keyboard
possibly even on a keypad so those extra 2 letters you don't have to type are actually a reasonable savings of
time in exchange for slightly inconveniencing the listener/reader. I'm pretty certain that none of the people playing
ddo are doing so on a blackberry or even an Iphone but rather have full proper keyboard at their disposal on which
typing those extra 2 letters takes a fraction of a second. (In my opinion often it takes longer to think of what
you want to say then to type it out on a keyboard). Thus the time savings is negligible or none, and you are
solely inconveniencing the reader and in my opinion being rude to them. This might just me being old fashioned
though.

Just my 2 copper,
Rawel

[RTN]

My group has a standard response to a "share please" request. We share "Information is Key".

If it is really necessary (long run to quest giver or Hound/Vision), we'll share that, then the actual quest.

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

Really? I do not see it as a big deal, you want a share, no problem. It has nothing to do with laziness. Think of it this way, you put up the LFM (looking for members) Should I assume this means - LFM (too crappy of a player to solo it)? No I don't so why would you assume its because the person is lazy? A person has joined your group to help you complete, its the least you can do to share the dam quest. Do you think most people sit around and wait for that one quest to pop up then join? Most time I join pugs is becasue the quest I want to do is not available at that time or there are not enough same level guildies on at the moment. Shame on the rest of you for acting in such an ignorant manner. Sometimes people do not know where the quest giver is and that is okay in my books. Every whines that there are not enough good PUGs left, maybe its because the rest of us are tired of the stupidity.

[HAL]

LoL and plz are a world apart. As is u and rofl and a number of others. Lol, rofl, , are essentially emotcions
that try to convey a very long ("laughing out loud", "rolling on the floor laughing") phrase or feeling. They don't
actually mean what the phrase does either. How many people that type lol, or rofl are ACTUALLY doing what
the phrases indicate? They have their own established meaning as emoticons, to allow us to convey non verbal
emotions through our keyboard.

On the other hand "plz","u","4", "@" are txt speak, and in that arena make sense (you're texting on a tiny keyboard
possibly even on a keypad so those extra 2 letters you don't have to type are actually a reasonable savings of
time in exchange for slightly inconveniencing the listener/reader. I'm pretty certain that none of the people playing
ddo are doing so on a blackberry or even an Iphone but rather have full proper keyboard at their disposal on which
typing those extra 2 letters takes a fraction of a second. (In my opinion often it takes longer to think of what
you want to say then to type it out on a keyboard). Thus the time savings is negligible or none, and you are
solely inconveniencing the reader and in my opinion being rude to them. This might just me being old fashioned
though.

Just my 2 copper,
Rawel

Ok, this is just nitpicking. Do you also kick people for bad spelling? Come on...

[Denegrator]

I think this says it all really, it should prevail. If it's a walk up or the q giver is by the entrance, just pick the bloody q up, if not, asking for a share is generally ok if done politely. If people who join a group can't be bothered to at least attempt some form of civility, and just type or say shr plz, they shouldn't expect to be treated with undue respect imo. Harsh? Maybe, but fair in my estimation.

[umeannothing]

I've found on those occasions, telling the group "BRT, grabbing quest" results in someone sharing automagically. Again, not to be abused; but it does work nicely.

This is the fastest way to get me to share a quest with you, simply because you are showing a little self sufficiency and willingness to to take care of yourself.

And it is much refreshing when I see it, I like when people are willing to spend a few seconds to save me the mess of searching through the quest log to find the quest in particular, as I nearly always have a quest log filled with every quest in the zone/house to pick through, and very often the name of the quest in your log is not the same as the name of the quest on the enter dungeon screen.

That last is quite annoying as well, trying to look up a quest on DDOwiki by using the name shown in the quest log, only to have to search for it in the favor panel to get the name of it, or go to the quest entrance to get the name of it.

[Daggertooth]

C'mon we all know the type of people we're dealing with..... You've got basically two types of players... those who have gottne over the ******** and are making a sincere effort and those who have yet to get over the ******** and are more concerned with either making a mockery of the game or a mockery of the people who are playing the game.

Typing 'plz' is very much like waving a big sign over your head saying "I'm too cool to take any of this seriously" It then triggers a response from certain players that they have absolutely no interest whatsover in how cool you think you are and good luck to ya at which point they then dismiss. Even going further than the 'tone' that people take its the type of approach to the game that that tone usually signifies. People want people who are going to make a good impression or no impression at all in the latter case meaning they don't need any help finding the quest, having it shared or whatever it may be. If you are new, then it shouldn't be a big mystery that the experienced players are happy to take you along provided that you are making a sincere effort and are not there to mock everyone and waste everyone's time.

[sirdanile]

For my groups if the first words you type or say are "Share Please" or any variant, I will boot you.

If you enter at the quest giver or have to interact with the quest giver in some way beyond picking the quest up I will boot you for asking to share.

I will share if you ask politely because you forgot and we're all at the entrance AND that's not the first thing you've said.

I will share if it's a raid, however I might also share at an inopportune time, such as when you're making the jump near visions of destruction, punishment for forgetting. :P

Also, if your name is aklsjvklcnxcuahgpsjngvxhznby you're probably going to get declined, though thats merely a personal pet peeve rather than any discrimination against you mr. swearyou'renotarobot.

[MRMechMan]

How many people that type lol, or rofl are ACTUALLY doing what
the phrases indicate?

When I type rofl, I am ALWAYS actually rolling on the floor laughing.

[RedDragonScale]

/popcorn

shr plz

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

shr plz

Shared

[Kmnh]

Tip: You can ask for a share after you are inside. That will keep you from getting booted.

[MRMechMan]

Tip: You can ask for a share after you are inside. That will keep you from getting booted.

Recall and reform!

[Rawel_San]

Ok, this is just nitpicking. Do you also kick people for bad spelling? Come on...

That is not nitpicking, it's explaining why you may get offended when people say "shr plz", and yet be OK with
"lol", without being hypocritical.

[Bakarne]

Most of my gameplay is endgame and epic, but we get a fair number of share requests anyways (eChrono being most common). Far more annoying is when 3 or 4 people in my guild immediately share "Welcome to Korthos" or "The Storehouse Secret" in response. Though if I would actually bother to accept these quests, I could immunize myself from all future sharing shenanigans.