Booted from party because of a share request

[Truga]

You would not happen to have been playing an 80 HP lowbie Rogue filling the last spot for Von5/6 Elite would you? That same one that ignored multiple people for like 10 minutes as they explained (voice and chat) that you were not flagged and did you get your end rewards? Then returned with the classic "share please"? If so, then ya, you won the boot award we give out maybe once a year!

The plot thickens!

[MysteryNotes]

My my, I was just scrolling down this thread to say the exact same thing! Is it really that hard to press that share button for someone who hasn't picked up the quest yet? Sure, I may instruct people to the npc right in front of the quest too, but for the sake of getting the show on the road fast, it's not that much of a hassle to look up the quest and click the share button.

My my, I was just scrolling down this thread to say the exact same thing! Is it really that hard to go to the quest giver and simply pick it up yourself instead of asking people for a share simply because you're too lazy to get it? Sure i may instruct people to the npc right in front of the quest too, but for the sake of getting the show on the road fast, its not that much of a hassle to go to the quest giver and pick up the quest yourself.



I don't really mind people who ask for share, as long as that isn't the first thing they type as soon as they join party, and as long as the quest giver isn't right at the entrance.

Out of a few years of playing DDO, i've only booted one person for asking for a 'share plz'.
That was a lvl 20 cleric who joined my group for epic small problem, when we were at the end already and the LFM stated 'At end of Small prob, free chest'.

If he can't even be bothered to pick up the quest for his own free loot, then i can't be bothered to share either.

[chance2000]

1. Most quest givers are pretty close to the quests. Why share?
2. Most chains get bugged if shared. Why share?
On a personal note I do share when able and asked. I think the only time I ask for them to be shared is in gianthold when I am joining a guildie and a bit late.

[Urjak]

Mate newdays ppl boot for everything, its very popular, i was booted for havin low hp from DA epic (sorcer ice savant 628 hp), cuz leader saw pale masters with more hp.

that makes me just lawl (not ur hp they are far above the average for a caster ... the leader makes me lol)

[Cogdoc]

What amazes me is that the people who get irritated over 'share plz' are the same exact people who will join a new player's group who actually did bother to find out where the quest is and would really like to know whats going on and then they will recklessly destroy that person's adventure by zerging, announcing everything and pretty much ruining it in general.

But lord forbid that same person who put up the lfm should try to join the other person's group and say alright forget it, just share pls.. and its What??? Share plz? **** has been dismissed from the group.

Ah, the DDO community

Now let me just comment on your last remark. I believe that if you think the DDO community is rude and rejecting, you should take the PUG tour in say.... world of warcraft? I really insist you do. Its F2P now even for the first levels, and you can in fact PUG with the auto LFG tool for instances during those levels. See how the community is there, and then and only then come back here and mock the DDO community.

Cogdoc

[garlor]

what quest was and what was the lfm?

in a relic run, I would share, in a coal chamber elite know the quest lfm, I would kick you

nowadays most people runs elite, and expect you to KNOW the quest, if you don't, run it on normal and don't be deadweight in my group, that's the usual thought

now, with zero information on what was the quest, difficulty and what said the lfm, can't form a judgement

[Uska]

if you join my party and the first thing youi do is say share your gone gone gone, if the quest giver is right in front of the entrance to the quest and you ask for a share your gone gone gone, in the sub I am a little more forgiving though.

[Airgeadlam]

I dont normally boot for asking, unless its in my lfm to KNOW IT< BE SELF SUFFICIENT,

sort of negates the self suficient part if you cant even pick up the quest

Well, depends on the quest and situation. If you are doing "A relic of a sovereign past", and to save time I ask for a share using navigator to house K instead of going to House D to get it, I still can perfectly know the quest and be as self sufficient as you. Sure, you can think that I should have done all the way before applying to the LFM, that I'm actually lazy or selfish by doing so, but that's a different story.

the only time I booted someone from a party for "share plz" was when I was running a ZERG, BYOH, IP, KNOW THE WAY! gianthold walkup quest and the joining party member asked for a share. I mean, seriously, if you know the quest, you know its a walkup quest and thus you will get the quest automatically O_o

Actually, sometimes in GH I've found the walkup quests bug, and you can try like crazy to trigger the quest to no effect. Never happened on Vale, though.


Situation and politeness over the plain "asking for a share" fact.

Edit: I too considere the "share plz" as first thing said upon joining as disrespectful to the people in party, and generally a sign of lazy/bad player.

[redspecter23]

If someone asks me for a share, my reaction highly dependent on the quest and the tone/spelling used to ask for the share. If your first words are "shr plz" I will probably boot on the spot. You want me to open my journal and share, but you can't take the extra 0.5 seconds to spell out complete words? That's a pet peeve of mine. The words "share please" however will usually take me to step two. If the quest giver is extremely close to the quest or it's a walkup, I will state as such and expect you to pick it up yourself. I won't boot you if you keep asking for shares. I'll just wait until you find the quest giver and make your way inside. I will be doing the quest while you're off looking so don't be surprised if you get an xp penalty if you take too long. If you get annoying, then I'll boot. If the quest giver is far away, then I'll share, no problem. For especially wordy quest givers like redwillow, I tend to give shares as people join, just so they don't have to talk themselves.

[fco-karatekid]

...I only ask for a share when Im close to entrance and dont want to run back to a tavern or otherwise far away questgiver, and will tell that while asking....

Yah, 99% of the time, I don't send the LFM join request until I ahve (re)acquiredthe quest; but on occasion I flake out, forget, etc.

I've found on those occasions, telling the group "BRT, grabbing quest" results in someone sharing automagically. Again, not to be abused; but it does work nicely.

[MRMechMan]

"share plz"

This is code for either

-Lazy (9/10 the quest is IN PROGESS, they can't talk to someone for 5seconds but want the person in the quest to take ~ the same time for them?)
-doesn't know where quest giver is (doesn't know quest)
-doesn't know where quest itself is (doesn't know quest)
-didn't even look at lfm (yes, this happens)

If someone asks me to share relic of a soverign past, I am instantly hitting L and then share within seconds. Likewise with any other quest where the quest giver is far away or has very long dialogue. If we are doing the lvl 4-5 depths chain in house D, I'm happy to share it as thats 100s of lines of dialogue, but 4 clicks for me.

If someone asks me to share a quest where the questgiver is RIGHT NEAR THE ENTRANCE...they will probably get a share, but I won't be happy about it, and will probably be extra wary of their ability level.

If someone asks me to share a quest where the questgiver IS the entrance (deeps, demons den etc) well thats just lazy.

If someone asks me to share ADQ, delera part4, TOR, etc...well thats different. I won't autoboot, but this shows me that they are either joking (which I do appreciate sometimes) or really don't know whats up, and will almost certainly either

1. die multiple times in hilarious yet xp-wounding ways.
2. wander off
3. pike
4. not be flagged
5. get 1-2kills
6. blow up trapboxes
7. slow things down
8. be an sp drain.
etc etc...aka for a powergamer NOT be worth taking along.

Along with guild/hp total, the "share please" is a pretty big indicator of "will this person be pulling their weight"

I don't autoboot for "share please" but I know a lot of folks that do, and I totally understand where they are coming from.

[Sleepsalot]

Most time if I don't have the quest I will just ask.. "Could some one please share the quest." But is rare that I even have to ask. Most groups I have run with try to share right away. Then ask if I got it. Most times I had it any way..

Sleeps

[HAL]

and to all this hysteria ... but i dont know where the quest giver/entrance is bla ... what do u think we did when there was no option to share? ... yes thats another reason why some ppl are hesitant to sharing ... i mean if you always ask for a share ... you will never learn where the quest giver is (already listed in my last post, where i think asking for a share is okay, and where i even do it occasionally myself)

So by the same token, no one should use a convenience we now have like GPS because then they'll never learn how to get anywhere the "hard" way? If the person asking for a share ever needs to find the questgiver himself, that probably means he's soloing and so that will never hinder anyone...

Logic

For everyone else, I thought "plz" = please? So everyone saying people should request more politely...

And so many people are all eager to avoid delay, you'd really rather I take the time to get the quest (even if the quest giver is at the entrance sometimes there is dialogue) than just hit a button? What about all those threads where people complain about someone joining and then shopping / getting ship buffs? If I was like some posters I would find those threads and see if anyone who objects to sharing here agrees with them...

[In_Like_Flynn]

In the days after DDO went free, "Share" became code for "I'm new, and am therefor a poor player." New players attempting to learn the game and how to get around were considered annoying by long-time ViPs, who assumed that all new players would arrive with all of the knowledge ViPs had built up over three years.

After a while the free players began to blend in, and "Share" changed to mean "I'm lazy, and am therefor a poor player." And ire would double should a "Share" be requested for a walk-up quest. Asking for a "Share" made long-time ViPs wonder what new players were spending their spare time studying if it wasn't DDO maps and quest locations.

I've never had a problem sharing, though I do like the word "Please" to be involved. I recognize that the word is tainted, and have tried to adapt. If I'm the 6th person to join a group, I know the other five are likely chomping at the bit, so I type "I'll BRT. To save a little time, can one of you throw me a share, please." This says "I value your time, and am trying to help us get started." Works every time.

I'm working to reclaim the word "Share." No longer will it mean useless, lazy freeloader. From now on, it will mean considerate team player.

[MrWizard]

Just a note...

the quest can be shared after someone enters. So the need for it to be an immediate 'share please!!!!' is unwarranted unless the mechanic of the entrance demands you be on the quest.

Actually using the microphone instead of 'omg' 'ty' 'kk' typing can delay or defer any instant boots and is a preferable way to communicate to other human beings.

I don't mind sharing, but when someone refuses to enter until it is shared is quite annoying. Just come in and someone will share it...yeesh.


New players vs old players....There is little doubt a new player is looking for a different experience for the quest than an older player who has run the dungeon 400+ times before.
I think it is better for the newer players and older players to not randomly play together and have no problems with 'boot for share' and other auto boot methods.

A new player joining an older group will not enjoy the quest and most likely be 1/4 way through when the quest suddenly ends due to what feels like a zerg to the newcomer.

Your first few times in a quest should be a wonderful experience. Get all those crates, find all those optionals, search those walls for traps and doors, enjoy it.

New players must understand older players on a 'farm' of any kind (favor, loot, etc) do not want to 'experience' the dungeon, they want to experience the loot from the chests or end the quest quickly and move to the next one.

Edit: I do not boot when someone says 'share please'. I usually boot when 10 minutes after someone joined they are still not in a quest that is 'underway'... I dislike the players who refuse to say they are lost, don't know where it is, etc, and just spend 10 minutes running around saying 'NOTHING'..
Many times I get someone to join and they say hi and that is it, not a single thing after that and they never make the quest...or if they do make the quest they just come in and xp/favor sit at the door.

We had a monk join in a sins on hard diff the other day. We ddoored to the front to clear it for him. Before we got there, he came in and ran ...just ran....dragged everything. Made it past the table (We had not killed the boss yet, just got the item and ddoored). All the way to gulas...dragging everything... did not say a word and then disconnected.

That is a lot of mobs all at once. Thanks for stopping by, hope the monk enjoyed the 'share plz'.....

If you do not communicate, people will tend to suspect you are going to grief them, purposely or by accident...communication prevents boots.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Well.. first, I'm old enough to have had spelling and grammar drilled into me, and as much as I know I shouldn't care, it eats at me a little when I see "share plz". The flipside is if you take the time to spell it out and maybe use some punctuation, I'm more than willing to share the quest. Does it make me a jerk? Maybe. But spelling something out in an MMO can mean some level of maturity and attention to detail, which are two qualities I find in people I like to play with.

Secondly, if the quest giver is far away, or inconvenient to get to, no problem. I'll share. If the quest giver is right next to the quest, I'll drop you. Because either you don't know the quest, or you can't be bothered to take the two seconds to talk to them. And either of those is a bad sign to me.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

Now, I have not yet booted anyone from my LFM for it on the first, or even third "share plz" but by that time I am getting annoyed and would not care how good they were, even a cleric, I would look for any reason to get rid of what feels to be a 1/2 lazy member.

There's nothing more lazy than seeing clicking the share button as too much to ask.

[Rawel_San]

My my, I was just scrolling down this thread to say the exact same thing! Is it really that hard to press that share button for someone who hasn't picked up the quest yet? Sure, I may instruct people to the npc right in front of the quest too, but for the sake of getting the show on the road fast, it's not that much of a hassle to look up the quest and click the share button.

I used to be the person that didn't understand quite why the leader would get all bent out of shape about
share requests, I almost always picked up my quests (hox and VoD) being the only exceptions really, and
would happily share them with people who joined group after me.

Then I started my last TR. 95% of the time I have groups up with elite,IP,BYOH,zergish. Note the IP,
that means that when people join I'm almost certainly in the middle of some fight or running to one
training 10+ mobs behind me so I don't have to swing my sword at one at a time. It also means that in the
middle of that opening my quest log searching for the quest and then sharing it is actually quite a bit of hassle,
and on elite has a chance of getting me killed.

At the same time the people that ask for "share plz" are usually the ones that will only contribute a 10% xp
penalty. Now don't get me wrong I don't get bent out of shape because people die. I wouldn't pug if I didn't
want the xp penalty (would make almost all quests faster and easier anyhow) but I like having people
along and so I'm happy to deal with that. I do sometimes wonder what kind of player hits an
elite,IP,BYOH,zergish group and doesn't know that the quest we're doing is either a walk up or the qGiver is 10 feet away from entrance.

As an aside to whoever said they don't know where quest givers are because they scoff at the rewards anyhow...
My question is why then do you want the quest shared? You can enter the quest and get xp/favor even if you're
not actually on it. If you know where the entrance is and don't care about the end reward you can easily just
enter and get it done never needing a share.

Just my 5 copper,
Rawel

[HAL]

Well.. first, I'm old enough to have had spelling and grammar drilled into me, and as much as I know I shouldn't care, it eats at me a little when I see "share plz". The flipside is if you take the time to spell it out and maybe use some punctuation, I'm more than willing to share the quest. Does it make me a jerk? Maybe. But spelling something out in an MMO can mean some level of maturity and attention to detail, which are two qualities I find in people I like to play with.

Secondly, if the quest giver is far away, or inconvenient to get to, no problem. I'll share. If the quest giver is right next to the quest, I'll drop you. Because either you don't know the quest, or you can't be bothered to take the two seconds to talk to them. And either of those is a bad sign to me.

First: so common internet "words" are out of bounds for you? Do you kick people for typing "LOL" instead of "Laughing Out Loud"? If not then you're being a hypocrit.

Second: we're not talking ONLY about LFM that say "Know the Quest". If you only group with people who already know the quest and say so in your LFM, that's fine. But this thread is not specifically about that.

[JamnJD]

Most of you have it just plain wrong.

Asking for a share does not mean the person asking is lazy. It means the person asking for it wants to get to the quest as fast as possible as not to hold up the group, so you don't have to run to the quest giver, and the quest destination is highlighted on the map making it easier and faster to get to.

So just get off your high horses, move your mouse, and share the freakin' quest already so we can all get started.

Sheeeesh. Big effort to share a quest.

/popcorn

...J