Why Not play a WF Sorc?

[darkniteyogi]

Im about to TR a Half-elf Sorc and reconsidering whether to stick with Half-elf (with the cleric deli and switching to Barb at later levels) or go with Warforged. A quickened reconstruct just seems too powerful. I plan to do alot of soloing.

Heal Scrolls even with very high heal amp are still interruptable, slow and can only be cast one at a time.
Is there any 'real good' reason to go Half-elf/Drow/Human ? Drow +2 DC's. Half elf/Human + 1.5 DC's? Is it worth it?

Are there any sorcs out there who can argue that fleshie is better?

[gavijal]

WF Earth savant is great..just go for it

[zombieaon]

Aside from the -2 to casting stat and the SP being used for reconstruct/repair, there isn't many reasons not to play one.

I play a TR'd human sorcerer and the only reason I don't play a toaster is they seem too easy (because like you say, quickened reconstruct is too powerful), and I like a challenge. It is sometimes fun knowing you don't have time to switch to your cartouche and you might roll a 1 trying to heal scroll yourself...or 3x's in a row.

With that said, although I have seen some really great WF casters, IMO the best players (smartest as well) are the ones who don't need a quickened heal as a crutch, and would rather have that +1 to DC's.

[voodoogroves]

I've spun a few toons through as WF sorcs. It absolutely works.

I've got a FVS I'm going to TR and she'll be human or half-elf. Yes, the WF is a brute ... but reconstruct takes a 6th level spot ... and it also shifts me down a different play style. I like the way fleshie casters work too.

[Isharah]

If you intend to stay long at level 20, I suggest you don't roll a warforged.

Once you get to 20 and begin building on your end-game gear, at some point humans/drow will overtake warforged.

At level 20 and with your end gear, you have 100% chance on heal scroll usage and easy access to healing amp that will allow you to heal for roughly 300 per scroll. On top of this, you don't use your SP to heal yourself so you have more for nuking, and you have that extra level 6 spell spot for some of the most powerful secondary nuke spells. After all, when you go raiding, somebody is usually assigned to do all the group healing. You will also have higher DCs than a warforged, and for epic and high-level raids, your ability to back-up CC is a big asset to the group.

If you don't intend to stay long at level 20, do roll a warforged.

Especially since you mentioned that you intend to solo, going warforged makes leveling up very easy. Given that you know how to play a caster (kiting, spell rotation, etc.), there is little need for CCing while you are leveling up, which makes that -1 DC barely noticeable. That, and you get virtually instant self-heals. :P

[Sweyn]

Are there any sorcs out there who can argue that fleshie is better?

Depends on what you're after. Before i TR'd into a wizard, my drow sorc had a standing 46 CHA. The DCs to my spells were all roughly 40+ I felt like a palemaster almost. Yet i was also the highest DPSer in the game. I had incredible DC's and incredible dps to where i could fill any roll. However my self healing was limited from heal scrolls. WF you have insane Self healing to the point it's rare you die, but you have to give up on a few things. It's your choice, so give or take.

[wax_on_wax_off]

One of the worst things about playing a fleshy arcane used to be that you were vulnerable to earth grab while your refrigerator counterpart was immune.

However, that has since been nerfed so it has evened the playing field considerably between the 2. +1-2 DCs does make a significant difference for a variety of different spells. On my TR'd human earth savant I really appreciated the excellent DC on my conjuration spells (from greater spell focus: conjuration and PL:cleric). Nothing, not even high reflex evasion mobs, would avoid my maximised, empowered acid blasts which made for ridiculously easy leveling.

At level 20 it's hard enough for a sorcerer to get useful enchant and necro DCs as it is, as a warforged it is even more difficult. I just don't see the point in gimping myself like this for self healing that can be gotten from other sources (PL: initiate of the faith played a part here for emergency heals but I've since played a non-TR sorcerer and though it's harder to self heal it still isn't bad).

When I roll up a WF Sorc it will be to splash paladin (and/or monk) and tank raid bosses with shield mastery.

[Zansobar]

Aside from the -2 to casting stat and the SP being used for reconstruct/repair, there isn't many reasons not to play one.

I play a TR'd human sorcerer and the only reason I don't play a toaster is they seem too easy (because like you say, quickened reconstruct is too powerful), and I like a challenge. It is sometimes fun knowing you don't have time to switch to your cartouche and you might roll a 1 trying to heal scroll yourself...or 3x's in a row.

With that said, although I have seen some really great WF casters, IMO the best players (smartest as well) are the ones who don't need a quickened heal as a crutch, and would rather have that +1 to DC's.

Also having to take up spell slots for repair spell (s), the fact that warforge look hideous, and then of course the loss of a key feat on a feat starved class.

[Ap0k]

Hello there,

I wanna quickly chime in because I have a WF sorc and drow pm. so both sides of the extreme spell DC wise.
The WF sorc used to be my favorite character. But since epic came out I hardly play him anymore. as much fun as spamming dps spells is, having really sucky cc and instakill options became an issue preventing me from having fun with him. I plan on TR'ing him eventually into a human most likely.

Other then that its fun...just not so much at endgame.

my 2 cents...

[AtomicMew]

End game, go human, no contest.

For leveling, it's tricky. I agree with wax that earthgrab immunity was a big part of it. But the ability to recon scroll yourself is also a big part of it. Hitting 39 UMD for heal scrolls is NOT trivial. You probably will not be able to hit that amount until level 18+ and flat out won't hit it at all if you don't have at least a +6 CHA greensteel. Without the ability to no-fail heal/recon scroll yourself, you lose quite a bit of zerging power.

On the other hand, being squishy means you have +1-2 DC. With so much towards the end of leveling having evasion, this is a big deal, IMO. Also, you could go half-elf with paladin dill and have much better saves than WF. This might be even better than the immunity WF currently offers.

[Volaxis]

Why not play WF sorc? Because you'll be better than everyone else and that makes people mad. Its -1 to DC but sorcs get so few feats it wont be possible to match a wizard, they are there to replace/exceed a melle, think of yourself as a barb, that doesnt have to touch the mob, does more damage, and can heal better than a pally. You will need a couple sorc past lifes anyway.

[Kmnh]

If your only source of self-healing is heal scrolls, you are not making the most out of your helf sorc

Get silver flame pots. A max healing amp helf sorcerer can self-heal faster with the 250hp ones then the quickened reconstruct wfs can. And it costs 0 sp.

[pHo3nix]

Someone posted it in a similar discussion some time ago to solve doubts:

If there was a feat that gives you -2 DC for immortality (cause unless you are really unlucky or really dumb a quickened reconstruct every 3 seconds means you cannot die) would you take it?

Oh, and wf sorc could wear DoD

[AtomicMew]

If your only source of self-healing is heal scrolls, you are not making the most out of your helf sorc

Get silver flame pots. A max healing amp helf sorcerer can self-heal faster with the 250hp ones then the quickened reconstruct wfs can. And it costs 0 sp.

That's an interesting idea, but seems to defeat the purpose of being a fleshy (namely, higher DC).

Another option I've been kicking around is monk dilettante with a triple positive healing amp stick. Cure critical wands with wand and scroll mastery II would hit for ~100 a pop.

[EvilI]

Also having to take up spell slots for repair spell (s), [...]

I would just like to point out that you don't take Reconstruct because you have to, you take it because it's better than any of the other (very good) level 6 spells.

[EliahuTheMighty]

That's an interesting idea, but seems to defeat the purpose of being a fleshy (namely, higher DC).

Another option I've been kicking around is monk dilettante with a triple positive healing amp stick. Cure critical wands with wand and scroll mastery II would hit for ~100 a pop.

I took this idea and ran with it. Check out the results here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...60#post4190460

[Isharah]

Get silver flame pots. A max healing amp helf sorcerer can self-heal faster with the 250hp ones then the quickened reconstruct wfs can. And it costs 0 sp.

I need to heal, quick!


*-10 to all stats, saves, and -50% movement speed!!*

[HPL]

WF Earth savant is great..just go for it

-1 DC? Who cares?

Epic content? WF Earth savant is not a good built for epic.

For the rest of the game (like 90% of it) you will lead the kill count.

So yes... just go for it.

[voodoogroves]

Epic content? WF Earth savant is not a good built for epic.

This confuses me. Epic question, the Earth Savant is pretty dang strong regardless of race - earthgrab is a great way to manage bosses and everything else can just be melted.

Epic raids ... maybe not ... so maybe qualify what you're suggesting. For the bulk of epic questing (P, D, Fens, VoN, etc.) in the actual quests, why is an Earth Savant bad?

[sephiroth1084]

If your only source of self-healing is heal scrolls, you are not making the most out of your helf sorc

Get silver flame pots. A max healing amp helf sorcerer can self-heal faster with the 250hp ones then the quickened reconstruct wfs can. And it costs 0 sp.

Yeah, because having your speed cut in half, your spell DCs dropped by 5 points, all of your saves lowered and being at great risk of going helpless is what a caster should be doing instead of using scrolls.

Silver Flame potions are in place for characters who can't scroll themselves (barbarians, fighters) and for emergencies/places where you need to be self-healing for a ton without running around (ie focus of a boss).