Cleric w/ Evasion, Skills and DCs?

[Djjinni]

A little background, skip if you're more interested in the build template!

So i'm coming up to 20 on my first char and real Main, a Human 18 Pale Master/2 Rogue, and starting to re-evaluate how i enjoy playing the game most. This has generally been as a support/healing char, focussing on utility more so than anything else. I have played several alts of all classes but never found anything that stuck with me completely more than the wiz. But certain ideas have stuck with me throughout, particularly, high DC insta kills and traps, but with decent healing output. A WF Wiz would be perfect but ****..not everyone in the game plays WF :O

I welcome any criticism or advice anyone can offer. I've been around the game but have a fairly local field of knowledge, and this build is a complete work in progress. I have a long way to go before I am ready for this and am considering a FvS/2nd Wizard life beforehand to help with gearing and stats.

I take no credit for this, i'm sure its been done already but i haven't been able to find something that suits me perfectly, so i figure a thread to discuss it and track the design will be of benefit to me!

Massive thanks to any that read, comment or help me out!

And so..

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 278
Spell Points: 1330 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 13
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                    10
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom               18                    30
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     9
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         4                    26
Diplomacy             4                     5
Disable Device        7                    28
Haggle                4                     5
Heal                  4                    12
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            4                     5
Jump                  3                     4
Listen                4                    10
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock             3                     4
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    24
Spot                  8                    14
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Insightful Reflexes
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

2nd Update: Trading Int for Con, and skills done as efficiently as I can manage.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 298
Spell Points: 1330 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 12
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                    10
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               18                    30
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     4
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         5                    27
Diplomacy             4                     5
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle                4                     5
Heal                  4                    12
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  3                     4
Listen                4                    10
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock             3                     4
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    18
Spot                  8                    14
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Insightful Reflexes
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+6)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Djjinni]

Updated with newer build, still refining the skills and enhancements but hopefully this all works out as i'm enjoying the idea of the build, and want to make it as viable as possible

[Enoach]

Initial Thoughts

Evasion is a nice feature but needs to be backed up with a Reflex Save

Your Base Reflex is 12

12
1 +2 Dex Tome
3 +6 Dex Item
4 GH
1 +1 Luck
5 +5 Resistance Item
==
26 Reflex Save

Will 26 Be enough for the content you are planning on running?

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The difference between a max Wisdom 18 and 16 Wisdom is a single DC and a few Spell points. Using the 6 Points to boost Strength to 10 (Avoid Ray of Enfeeblement issues) and Dex to 12 would gain you +2 Reflex Save and +2 to your rogue Dex Skills.

[alemulet]

Initial Thoughts

Evasion is a nice feature but needs to be backed up with a Reflex Save

Your Base Reflex is 12

12
1 +2 Dex Tome
3 +6 Dex Item
4 GH
1 +1 Luck
5 +5 Resistance Item
==
26 Reflex Save

Will 26 Be enough for the content you are planning on running?

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The difference between a max Wisdom 18 and 16 Wisdom is a single DC and a few Spell points. Using the 6 Points to boost Strength to 10 (Avoid Ray of Enfeeblement issues) and Dex to 12 would gain you +2 Reflex Save and +2 to your rogue Dex Skills.

With 16 int = insigthful reflex?
about the str, just a buff is enough to help with Enfeeblement.. my sorc has 8str and with bull's buff i dont get enfeeblement

[TheDearLeader]

With 16 int = insigthful reflex?
about the str, just a buff is enough to help with Enfeeblement.. my sorc has 8str and with bull's buff i dont get enfeeblement

Ray of Enfeeblement is 1d6+5 Strength Damage at level 10.

12 Strength is indeed *higher* than the spell can debuff you.. but still, at 1~2 Strength, I imagine your carrying capacity isn't all too high. The lowest the Wiki lists is 6 Strength, and that's only 75 lbs/150 lbs for Medium and Heavy Encumberance. Also, being Encumbered, I do believe, stops Evasion. -- it at least uncenters a monk.

[Djjinni]

As you can tell from the build order perhaps, Evasion is not a major part of the build, but yes i hoped for the save to be decent at 20+ with Epics and raids being in my sight for then. I'm considering making this my 3rd life now, so with 36 points and access to better gear it should be far improved than my original ideas.


I have also looked at dropping to 16 Wis on this, but I thought to max it purely to make up for the lower DCs i'll have as a splash. The wiz past life however should help me too.

I'd be much more likely to put the points into Int for skills and reflex save however, as noted above I plan to use Insightful reflex as i see this as the key Feat for making an Int-heavy splash viable here. Being equal to 4-6 Reflex save alone at higher levels, and allowing me to dump Dex, makes it look rather nice.


All of my current chars are 8 Str ranged/healers. If anything i need more melee experience :P Playing with more than 8 Str is a comfort i don't feel i really need!