Disintegration

[Kinerd]

Short Version
Process rate: 2%
Average damage: 460
Dice Distribution: 20d20 + 250

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Long Version

Process Rate
I didn't have (or anticipate having) any weapons with Disintegration, so I used a Fleshmaker's Docent and recorded enemy attacks. (The rats never saw it coming.) I verified that the guard could process on a 0 damage hit. I have no way of demonstrating that Disintegration Guard uses the same numbers as Disintegration, but to my mind it would be awfully weird if it didn't. All told, there were 7779 hits and 160 disintegrations. The overall process rate is therefore:
160 / 7779 = 2.06%
With standard deviation:
sqrt (7779 * 2.06% * (1 - 2.06%)) = 12.52

Therefore, the overall measurement is 2.06% ± 0.48% at 99.7% confidence. I also kept individual recordings along the way in bins of 40:

Hits	Procs
2834	40
4142	80
5677	120
7779	160

The same procedure gives possible ranges for process rate for each bin as:

Min	Max
0.75%	2.08%
1.63%	4.49%
1.39%	3.83%
1.01%	2.80%

Hence, I conclude that the process rate is 2%.

Damage Dice
I recorded the damages done on each disintegration, and they are as follows:


Using the method detailed in this post, I obtained a standard deviation of 26 and potential dice distributions of:

d6	231.77
d8	128.76
d10	81.94
d12	56.73
d20	20.33
d25	13.00

As with Lightning Strike, the most likely candidate to me appears to be 20d20, in this case + 250 rather than + 400. Following the advice given to me in a private message, I have used kernel density estimation to give a better picture of the data with respect to the distribution:

[Grenada]

Yay! More numbers!

Also, if this is the same for weapons, I think disintegrate does more damage than Lightning strike, in terms of dps.

Disintegrate:

0.95 (chance of hitting) * 460 * 0.02 * N/t (N= swings, t = time in seconds)

=8.74 N/t


Lightning strike:

0.95 * 610 * 0.015 * N/t

=8.6925 N/t

[TheDearLeader]

Disintegrate certainly has a wider variety of mobs it can work on. Nice work (yet again).

[Vissarion]

Love your work, Kinerd.

I reckon you need an appropriate forum title for your statistical nerdiness.

[voodoogroves]

Yay! More numbers!

Also, if this is the same for weapons, I think disintegrate does more damage than Lightning strike, in terms of dps.

Disintegrate:

0.95 (chance of hitting) * 460 * 0.02 * N/t (N= swings, t = time in seconds)

=8.74 N/t


Lightning strike:

0.95 * 610 * 0.015 * N/t

=8.6925 N/t

It certainly does, all things being equal. Greensteel-wise though, Lit2 comes with a better T1

[Kinerd]

Thanks all!

It was suggested to me privately that 15d20 + 300 is the correct distribution. The average value for this distribution is 457.5, so the practical difference between the two is effectively zero, but I think it's still worth looking at.

Here is the kernel density estimation graph with 15d20 + 300 overlaid in red:

Visually the 15d20 certainly seems further off. The R^2 values are .9937 for the 20d20 and .9476 for the 15d20. The standard deviation would also have to be smaller: 22 instead of 26, which doesn't seem like a negligible difference to me. In short, the 20d20 is a better fit to the data I have.

I also meant to cite the software I used to do the kernel density estimation, which can be found at the RSC web site.

[sirgog]

It certainly does, all things being equal. Greensteel-wise though, Lit2 comes with a better T1

This is the big factor. Corrosive Salt is almost as good as Disintegration and Lightning Strike in raw damage output too, but also has no negative option that holds a candle to Holy or even Goodburst.

[voodoogroves]

This is the big factor. Corrosive Salt is almost as good as Disintegration and Lightning Strike in raw damage output too, but also has no negative option that holds a candle to Holy or even Goodburst.

Yep. Dual shard too ... so painful.

I've got an "oops" Unholy I made a while back, but honestly with that I'm more likely to go TTS than Disintegration.

[Vanshilar]

By the way I sort of advise against assuming that guard proc rate = weapon proc rate until there's been confirmation of that for a few effects, since it's possible that they go under different sections of code. One is an attacker -> victim subroutine, while the other is a victim -> attacker subroutine; it's possible that the programmers just do lightning_strike(victim, attacker) or lightning_strike(attacker, victim) as appropriate, but it's also possible that they wrote separate code for each. On the other hand, guard proc rates are still important for tanks, so they're worthwhile to know as well in their own right. I was looking for guard proc information back when deciding which GS HP goggles to make and wasn't very satisfied with what's out there, so ended up just doing lightning strike on a guess.

So it doesn't mean that they're not the same, just that the assumption should be tested out on a few effects first. I have lightning guard on my barbarian so I can test that out I suppose. Depending on your server, people also may or may not be willing to donate GS mats to make test weapons.

P.S. You mentioned earlier in your lightning strike thread that you were going to test the radiant blast effect on the Mabar wraps. Not sure how far along you are with it, I finally capped my monk so I'll be releasing some numbers on it soon. EDIT: numbers here.

[LeLoric]

This is the big factor. Corrosive Salt is almost as good as Disintegration and Lightning Strike in raw damage output too, but also has no negative option that holds a candle to Holy or even Goodburst.

True however for consideration of alchemical it puts earth tier two really strong for twf. Especially if using offhand smallblade or even tier 3 spare hand to cover your double strike.

Many monks in guild are going water tier two actually as they are using spare hand and the combo of crushing wave and corrosive salt is excellent dps with most of it not subject to any resist. Throw in +2 alchemical wisdom and it's almost a no brainer.

[sirgog]

True however for consideration of alchemical it puts earth tier two really strong for twf. Especially if using offhand smallblade or even tier 3 spare hand to cover your double strike.

Many monks in guild are going water tier two actually as they are using spare hand and the combo of crushing wave and corrosive salt is excellent dps with most of it not subject to any resist. Throw in +2 alchemical wisdom and it's almost a no brainer.

Yeah T2 water is really solid for any build that cares about Wisdom.

[Kinerd]

By the way I sort of advise against assuming that guard proc rate = weapon proc rate until there's been confirmation of that for a few effects, since it's possible that they go under different sections of code. One is an attacker -> victim subroutine, while the other is a victim -> attacker subroutine; it's possible that the programmers just do lightning_strike(victim, attacker) or lightning_strike(attacker, victim) as appropriate, but it's also possible that they wrote separate code for each. On the other hand, guard proc rates are still important for tanks, so they're worthwhile to know as well in their own right. I was looking for guard proc information back when deciding which GS HP goggles to make and wasn't very satisfied with what's out there, so ended up just doing lightning strike on a guess.

So it doesn't mean that they're not the same, just that the assumption should be tested out on a few effects first. I have lightning guard on my barbarian so I can test that out I suppose. Depending on your server, people also may or may not be willing to donate GS mats to make test weapons.

Yes, I would much rather have tested with a Disintegration weapon, but such is life.

P.S. You mentioned earlier in your lightning strike thread that you were going to test the radiant blast effect on the Mabar wraps. Not sure how far along you are with it, I finally capped my monk so I'll be releasing some numbers on it soon. EDIT: numbers here.

When the challenge weapons came out I TRed my monk, as I was going to make a Mournlode weapon for my ranger anyway (and I really wanted to TR my monk). With nothing else to test I went with Disintegration Guard, but now there's a contradiction between my data and the information I've received from several anonymous sources, so I'm probably not going to get to Radiant Blast anytime soon.

[dTarkanan]

Are these sources reliable? Thanks for all your hard work.

[Delt]

Nitpick time...why is "process" being used in lieu of proc?

[Kinerd]

Are these sources reliable? Thanks for all your hard work.

You're welcome!

I don't understand your question. The data in my first post is all empirical: get hit, disintegration goes off, write down the number, keep track of how many hits and processes. I don't know who or what the original source for the "15d20 + 300" I mentioned is, but due to other information I consider it reliable. I collected about as much information as I put in the first post to see what would happen, and the curve I got was smack dab in the middle of 15d20 + 300 and 20d20 + 250, so I said the heck with it, 15d20 + 300 is close enough.

Nitpick time...why is "process" being used in lieu of proc?

I like the sound of it better. I don't always subvert etymology, but when I do I use aesthetics.