pure scimi build. possible epic?

[beatles42o]

hello, i am trying to make a pure TWF scimitar elf ranger build. i want hight DPS and there are a few things i was wondering...

can i dump wis/cha/int stats as a whole and make a 16str/16dex/16con character?

will there be any benefit from taking rogue at lvl 1 if i do not intend to be a skill ranger but a combat one?

would taking a lvl of fighter for an extra feat be worth it? possible improve crit or (that feat that uses DEX instead of WILL for you will saves?)

and i was also wondering something. i forgot. oh right. i have never made a toon that had epic potential. i was wondering if this build right here could work at lvl 20?

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(20 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 260 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            16                    19
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          
                 Base Skills        
Skills           (Level 1)          
Balance               3             
Bluff                -1             
Concentration         3             
Diplomacy            -1             
Disable Device        n/a           
Haggle               -1             
Heal                  4             
Hide                  7             
Intimidate           -1             
Jump                  2             
Listen                0             
Move Silently         7             
Open Lock             n/a           
Perform              n/a            
Repair                0             
Search                4             
Spot                  4             
Swim                  2             
Tumble                5             
Use Magic Device     n/a            

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Item Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 12 (Ranger)


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)

[scottmike0]

hello, i am trying to make a pure TWF scimitar elf ranger build. i want hight DPS and there are a few things i was wondering...

can i dump wis/cha/int stats as a whole and make a 16str/16dex/16con character?

will there be any benefit from taking rogue at lvl 1 if i do not intend to be a skill ranger but a combat one?

would taking a lvl of fighter for an extra feat be worth it? possible improve crit or (that feat that uses DEX instead of WILL for you will saves?)

and i was also wondering something. i forgot. oh right. i have never made a toon that had epic potential. i was wondering if this build right here could work at lvl 20?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(20 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 260 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            16                    19
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          
                 Base Skills        
Skills           (Level 1)          
Balance               3             
Bluff                -1             
Concentration         3             
Diplomacy            -1             
Disable Device        n/a           
Haggle               -1             
Heal                  4             
Hide                  7             
Intimidate           -1             
Jump                  2             
Listen                0             
Move Silently         7             
Open Lock             n/a           
Perform              n/a            
Repair                0             
Search                4             
Spot                  4             
Swim                  2             
Tumble                5             
Use Magic Device     n/a            

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Item Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 12 (Ranger)


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)

yes its possible, but you may want to add the feats inside

[Rydin_Dirtay]

and i was also wondering something. i forgot. oh right. i have never made a toon that had epic potential. i was wondering if this build right here could work at lvl 20?

If it's a melee Ranger you're after, I'd suggest 18 Ranger/2 Fighter instead. You can go pure but keep in mind that the Ranger capstone is not very helpful for Tempest Rangers at the present time.

[Khayvan]

16 CON is too expensive for an elf, the few extra HP it provides will not make or break your character. For a 32 pt. build I'd go with:

STR 18
DEX 16
CON 14
INT 8
WIS 8
CHA 8

This is what I use for my elf tempest and it works well. Note that you'll need a +WIS item to be able to cast spells but that's not such a big deal.

For feats:

1) Dodge
3) Mobility
6) Spring Attack
9) Toughness
12) Oversized TWF
15) Improved Critical: Slashing
18) Power Attack

Not a lot of wiggle room on a pure tempest, with 4 feats required by the prestige and the other 3 being practically mandatory for any melee.

As to multiclassing, splashing rogue will allow for full ranks in UMD and give 1d6 +3 sneak attack damage. Splashing 1 fighter (or 1 monk) will give an extra feat to use on a pre-req, whick will free up a slot for an extra Toughness for more HP.

18 ranger/2 fighter is a good build, the 2 extra feats can be used for needed combat feats, which will free up two slots for both Quicken and Maximize for excellent self-healing via Cure Serious Wounds. It also offers a +1 STR enhancement.

[unbongwah]

can i dump wis/cha/int stats as a whole and make a 16str/16dex/16con character?

Yes although I would probably do 18 / 16 / 14 - a little more DPS, a little less HPs.

will there be any benefit from taking rogue at lvl 1 if i do not intend to be a skill ranger but a combat one?

Yes, you will still get UMD, 1d6+3 sneak atk dmg, and Haste Boost I. See my Tempest trapmonkey thread.

would taking a lvl of fighter for an extra feat be worth it?

If you're not going pure, rgr 19 adds nothing; so rgr 18 / 1 / 1 is pretty common. Most will tell you a monk splash is preferable if you have it, though. Another option is barb for +10% run speed, +1 PA enh, and

(that feat that uses DEX instead of WILL for you will saves?)

There is no such feat in DDO.

Another option for an elf rgr 18 / ftr 2 is to take the first two Shadow DMs to get Displacement; this boosts your survivability. It's a flavor build, at best, but at least it gives you some incentive for being pointy-eared.

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Shadow Tempest
Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 18 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 276
Spell Points: 230 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    24
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use III
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I