Angel of Knowledge

[Lifespawn]

So the point of this build is to use Tiras splendor rune arm to the best effect while doing good melee damage and dotting.

I do understand that arties get per level damage on rune arms i'm hoping the smiting enhancment line along with the angel of vengence prestige makes up for that.

Also not sure if it works or not but enhancment lines for healing should make a huge difference with the curative admixtures from the artie side allowing for mass heals since we only have 12 levels of fvs and heal +bb being the spells we want.

On that note this fvs will have better damage and crits on BB than a pure fvs due to the force line of the artie and while the dc's will suck non evasion types will take some serious damage.

hp as the build stands is
316
+7 con item 1 exc 2 exc 2 tome=12 more con =
120
30 gfl
20 drac vitality
45 shroud hp item=
531 before buffs
rage and ship +2 con are another 40=
571
large augment slot in goggles that i plan on using would be another 20
so 591 .

str is 25+7 item 1 exc 2 exc 2 ship 2 rage 3 abashi set for a 42

full bab from divine power
20
16 str bonus
5 weapon
3 divine favor
4 gh
4 attack goggles w/large augment slot
2 shintao
1 haste
-5 pa

for a 50 with no bard songs

Thoughts suggestions?

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Male
(12 Favored Soul \ 8 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 316
Spell Points: 1318 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 9
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    25
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             13                    15

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                    -1
Bluff                 1                     2
Concentration         5                    19
Diplomacy             1                     2
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            1                     2
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock             3                     7
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    26
Spot                  3                    10
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device      5                    24

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender


Level 2 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Rune Arm Use
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Child of the Sovereign Host


Level 6 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands


Level 7 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Empower Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Arms and Armor
Feat: (Automatic) Retain Essence


Level 9 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Beloved of the Sovereign Host


Level 19 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge (ALL)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Force Manipulation III
Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Half-Elf Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery III

[Lifespawn]

no comments at all?

even if you start out with this build sucks i'd like to discuss why you think so.

Been thinking about this build since u11 came out planned on making it but don't have the slots for it or the time atm so figured i'd post it and see what others thought.

Hoping someone tries it and it works like i hope it does.

[Emizand]

This build sucks because I dont want you to feel lonely!

[kanbeki]

You're giving up a lot of perks of either class to make use of a mid-tier runearm, if you're going to be maxing out force enhancements for bb damage why not use the mindsunder runearm? And with that question being raised why bother splashing at all? I think you will be stretching yourself thin AP wise just to see a marginal damage increase in a sub-optimal runearm.

[Lifespawn]

You're giving up a lot of perks of either class to make use of a mid-tier runearm, if you're going to be maxing out force enhancements for bb damage why not use the mindsunder runearm? And with that question being raised why bother splashing at all? I think you will be stretching yourself thin AP wise just to see a marginal damage increase in a sub-optimal runearm.

it is sub optimal only because there are no enhancments for it i'm hoping the fvs enhancments plus the pre are enough to make the damage worthwhile worse comes to worse i'll just lesser out to 2 arty levels and use tovens for the lightning strike.

[Sedona]

Yeah I have all kinds of problems with this build. Just curious about the 2 handed fighting line of feats you've taken there. What do you plan on using weapon wise???

[Maxallu]

Just go full arty, Max all force lines, grab lucid dreams, go crazy with 1200 point blade barriers and that much rune arm damage. No need for silly fvs levels.

[djsonar919]

Why would you want to max Tira's? That rune arm is one of the worst aiming rune arms in the game. Your blade barrier damage would be extremely weak, their DCs would be terrible (as you stated), so even if the mob didn't have evasion it would still save and in the rare occurance you actually get a crit, it would hit as hard as full arti's does with no crit. Also, what were you planning on using two handed fighting for if you are using a rune arm? This build really doesn't have much going for it because both clases do not compliment each other. I'd say go either 20 FVs or 20 Arti and you'd be much happier.

[Lifespawn]

Yeah I have all kinds of problems with this build. Just curious about the 2 handed fighting line of feats you've taken there. What do you plan on using weapon wise???

i've been asked this a lot and it worries me that descriptions in game aren't accurate enough thf gives glancing blows when 1 handing a bastard sword or dwarven axe.

Please expound on the all kinds of problems you have with the build i'd love to discuss them.


Feat taken bastard sword is in the build layout.

[Lifespawn]

Why would you want to max Tira's? That rune arm is one of the worst aiming rune arms in the game. Your blade barrier damage would be extremely weak, their DCs would be terrible (as you stated), so even if the mob didn't have evasion it would still save and in the rare occurance you actually get a crit, it would hit as hard as full arti's does with no crit. Also, what were you planning on using two handed fighting for if you are using a rune arm? This build really doesn't have much going for it because both clases do not compliment each other. I'd say go either 20 FVs or 20 Arti and you'd be much happier.

I'm guessing you didn't read the OP?

Tiara's is for the fact that fvs and clerics get enhancments to augment the damage of that rune arm and fvs going AOV gives me the archon and shield of condemnation to not only add more light damage but to make the things hitting me weaker to it.


The blade barrier damage would be 3d6 behind a lvl 20 pure class because it maxes out at 15d6 but with the artie enhancments it adds 50% base damage and 2 enhancments for crits making them more powerful than a pure fvs or cleric.


I understand you don't see the benefit of the build and thats fine it's a self healing tank with dots melee damage and runearm to create and hold aggro.

People said my 16 sorc 2 pally 2 rogue build wouldn't work as a main tank either it has an 80 intim and 2800 sp for dots with 32 blocking dr and 5 guards.

[Lifespawn]

Just go full arty, Max all force lines, grab lucid dreams, go crazy with 1200 point blade barriers and that much rune arm damage. No need for silly fvs levels.

i have a pure arty that does just that i like to make off the wall builds so i'm trying this.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Why would you want to max Tira's? That rune arm is one of the worst aiming rune arms in the game. Your blade barrier damage would be extremely weak, their DCs would be terrible (as you stated), so even if the mob didn't have evasion it would still save and in the rare occurance you actually get a crit, it would hit as hard as full arti's does with no crit. Also, what were you planning on using two handed fighting for if you are using a rune arm? This build really doesn't have much going for it because both clases do not compliment each other. I'd say go either 20 FVs or 20 Arti and you'd be much happier.

While I agree that 20 FvS or 20 Arti is a better build but you aren't correct in all of your assessments.

Firstly, with a 3 piece epic abishai set blade barrier will be at capped caster level (15) and will have +30% damage from AoVII and +35% from Artificer giving about the most possible BB damage. DC will be low of course, perhaps wisdom/intelligence based with crossbow and zen archery is an option? Still, I've played a WF FvS with 6 base wisdom and I still found BB to be very useful against many mobs (and with an eardweller you can do quite considerable damage).

A more important issue is what role this character can play in a group. Solo this character will be fine and fun though leveling order will be tricky as most of the interesting class abilities from each class come late in each of the classes course (and if you go to 12 FvS straight up which is optimal then you end up getting more benefits from additional FvS levels rather than splashing). In a group DPS will be low, healing will be for self only and trap skills will be a bit limited (assuming that you want blade barrier asap).

[Lifespawn]

While I agree that 20 FvS or 20 Arti is a better build but you aren't correct in all of your assessments.

Firstly, with a 3 piece epic abishai set blade barrier will be at capped caster level (15) and will have +30% damage from AoVII and +35% from Artificer giving about the most possible BB damage. DC will be low of course, perhaps wisdom/intelligence based with crossbow and zen archery is an option? Still, I've played a WF FvS with 6 base wisdom and I still found BB to be very useful against many mobs (and with an eardweller you can do quite considerable damage).

A more important issue is what role this character can play in a group. Solo this character will be fine and fun though leveling order will be tricky as most of the interesting class abilities from each class come late in each of the classes course (and if you go to 12 FvS straight up which is optimal then you end up getting more benefits from additional FvS levels rather than splashing). In a group DPS will be low, healing will be for self only and trap skills will be a bit limited (assuming that you want blade barrier asap).

ya it's not going to be top dps by any means but should do decent damage between the bastard sword the runearm and dots.


Healing should actually be quite good if max and empower along with healing enhancments apply to the curative admixtures plus the potion mastery i'm expecting mass heals of 300+ to not be uncommon .

trap skills should be fine all the way able to max search and disable all the way through spot is obviously off the table tho.

[wax_on_wax_off]

ya it's not going to be top dps by any means but should do decent damage between the bastard sword the runearm and dots.


Healing should actually be quite good if max and empower along with healing enhancments apply to the curative admixtures plus the potion mastery i'm expecting mass heals of 300+ to not be uncommon .

trap skills should be fine all the way able to max search and disable all the way through spot is obviously off the table tho.

Ok so you've gone for the balanced leveling approach which means that you don't get blade barrier until level 18. That's the single one thing about this build that might work but you're skipping it until you're almost in epics where there build will be close to useless.

This does not look like a fun build to level or to play at cap. Similar issues with the wizard/cleric builds who want to firewall inside their blade barriers but not getting the ability that you make the build for until it's at a level where it's useless.

[Lifespawn]

i went 6 artie faster because it gets flame turret which will make leveling much much easier so far at level 10 this build is chugging along with no problems.

This build isn't so much for epic raid dps as much as it's good for tanking and maintaining aggro in raids while also being self sufficient and having better scroll healing that a pure fvs.

[Zax]

I just stumbled across this. The main thing that I would have suggested would have been something to increase your spot. With an 8 Wisdom and not taking the 3rd+ level ranger past feat, your ability to spot traps would be poor at best, and I assume "self-sufficient" includes some trapspringing. Not too much of a problem if you have already memorized where the traps are, but a decent spot still makes life easier, particularly if you like to adventure in new content.

Swapping out the "+2 Tome of Str/Int/Char used at level 7" for "+2 Supreme Tome used at level 7" would probably be a good idea. The +2 to wisdom would help a bit with your low spot, the +2 to constitution is always nice for your ability to survive, and the +2 to dex will help your open locks, for hitting with your repeating crossbow, and for shoring up that poor reflex save when trying to disable some traps. You might not agree with all three (dex/con/wis), but unless you are just working off of banked tomes, once you have 4 stats that you want to boost, you might as well increase them all with a supreme tome.

Did you finish taking him up to 20? Did it remain fun to play through all 20 levels?