Help With a Build

[pie2655]

Well like the title says im looking for some help with this idea/build. I want a battle cleric(ish) build but not just a splash. I am looking for any and all CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I'm not great with character building and i expect to have made lots of mistakes and i am hoping you can find them and help me improve this. I understand this is a flavor build and will never be an optimal build, but id like to make it as good as possible without straying to far from the original idea! so, thanks!

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DivineSlayer Drow Version
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 318
Spell Points: 924 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 9
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             15                 18                   19
Dexterity            10                 10                   11
Constitution         14                 16                   16
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom               16                 16                   19
Charisma             10                 10                   10

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               0                  0                    0
Bluff                 0                  0                    0
Concentration         6                 26                   28
Diplomacy             0                  0                    0
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                  0                    0
Heal                  3                  4                    6
Hide                  0                  0                    0
Intimidate            0                  0                    0
Jump                  2                 27                   27
Listen                3                  4                    6
Move Silently         0                  0                    0
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  0                    0
Search                0                  0                    2
Spot                  3                  4                    6
Swim                  2                  4                    4
Tumble                2                 10.5                 10.5
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+5)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[Calebro]

Couple questions:
Drow is a suboptimal choice. What races do you have available?
Do you have 32 pt builds, or just 28?
Do you have monk available?
Do you have any tomes in the bank?

[pie2655]

Couple questions:
Drow is a suboptimal choice. What races do you have available?
Do you have 32 pt builds, or just 28?
Do you have monk available?
Do you have any tomes in the bank?

Races: All F2P. I did try a Halfling version (I Like Halflings) but not sure how good it is. Want me to post it?
Just 28 pt
No monk (sadly)
Nope but i can probabaly get some +1 and maybe +2

Also thank you for reading my post and taking the time to help me

[Calebro]

Races: All F2P. I did try a Halfling version (I Like Halflings) but not sure how good it is. Want me to post it?
Just 28 pt
No monk (sadly)
Nope but i can probabaly get some +1 and maybe +2

Also thank you for reading my post and taking the time to help me

The thing is, this is a difficult concept to build with 28 points, and Drow doesn't make it much easier.
One things good is that you can dump wisdom. You won't be casting offensively anyway, so wisdom becomes all but useless to you. That will free up a few points right there.
And Jump is wasted skill points. You get 10 from the spell (ranger), 10 from a potion (if needed), a few points from Str (variable) and 30 later from a clicky. Jump is maxed without any real effort, so we can use those points elsewhere.
Let me see what I can come up with for you.

[pie2655]

Alright, thanks a ton Calebro!

[Calebro]

OK, this is what I came up with.
If it were me, and I were trying to build this concept from 28 points, this is what I would do.

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Level 20 <whatever alignment you want> Human Male
(2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 268
Spell Points: 631 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    21
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               11                    12
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    14
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         3                    25
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  0                     3
Hide                  7                    12
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  6                    12
Listen                0                     1
Move Silently         7                    14
Open Lock             7                     7
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                  4                    13
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
three points left over to put anywhere you want


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+9)


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Scimitar/Kukri combo would work well


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III

Requires one +1 Dex tome to qualify for GTWF, but it isn't needed until just prior to taking level 15, so that shouldn't be an issue to find.

And I just noticed the halfling comment. Human works best here because of the extra feat. As a melee divine, you'll want Divine Power and Divine Favor Extended. Toughness is a must. GTWF is a must on a melee focused build here. IC and PA are both must haves. Empower Healing Spell is a PrE prereq. Maximize is needed for quality Blade Barriers. Quicken is needed for healing raids, and especially for emergency Heals while in melee.
That's eight feats, so Human is the race of choice for the extra feat. The extra skill point from HUman allows for full UMD as well. So this is definitely a human.

Decent balance, and a little stealth because I can't bear to build anyone with hide/ms as class skills and ignore them. You may not use it often, but when you do it will save the day. A few points in spot so that maybe you will see those hidden mobs instead of bumping into them if you have to sneak around.

12 Wisdom +4 from Owl's Wisdom ensures that even if your gear gets Disjuncted you'll still be able to cast your highest level spells.
(12 is enough to cast Owl's, and the +4 it provides allows for Heal/BB)
Cha I & II instead of a Faith line because the extra Turn Undead means and extra Aura or Burst, which is more useful.

You'll never be a great healer, but you can single target heal well enough, or sub in as a healer in a pinch.... you just can't do it for a long time because you don't have the mana to equal staying power as a healer.
And you'll likely be declined from groups by a lot of players unwilling to give your build a chance, so be prepared for that possibility.

And for the record: Monk instead of Rogue on a 32 pt build, and this would shine given the opportunity and a quality player at the helm.

[pie2655]

I know monk would be the optimal 2 levels, but i thought that fighter would be better than rogue for the 2 extra feats. Is there any way to make this build work without Human? If its the only possible race than its fine but id really prefer something other than Human for flavor XD. Also the SP seems kind of low, will that be enough to self heal and possibly back up heal groups through most at-level quests?

[Calebro]

I know monk would be the optimal 2 levels, but i thought that fighter would be better than rogue for the 2 extra feats. Is there any way to make this build work without Human? If its the only possible race than its fine but id really prefer something other than Human for flavor XD. Also the SP seems kind of low, will that be enough to self heal and possibly back up heal groups through most at-level quests?

Fighter vs Rogue is a personal preference. The Dex for TWF with 6 Ranger makes for a decent Ref. Since there are two levels left, evasion seems like the natural filler to me. Plus it allows for full UMD, which cannot be underestimated.

If you didn't want to go Human, then the Fighter splash may be the way to go, because dropping from 8 to 7 feats would really hurt the build.

SP is going to be low no matter what you do. You only have 12 levels of Cleric. You're not going to have a huge SP pool, and there's very little you can do to change that.

[pie2655]

Fighter vs Rogue is a personal preference. The Dex for TWF with 6 Ranger makes for a decent Ref. Since there are two levels left, evasion seems like the natural filler to me. Plus it allows for full UMD, which cannot be underestimated.

If you didn't want to go Human, then the Fighter splash may be the way to go, because dropping from 8 to 7 feats would really hurt the build.

SP is going to be low no matter what you do. You only have 12 levels of Cleric. You're not going to have a huge SP pool, and there's very little you can do to change that.

Alright, thanks. Another questions (sorry) would the build be the same if i went fighter vs rogue, just different classes?

[Calebro]

Alright, thanks. Another questions (sorry) would the build be the same if i went fighter vs rogue, just different classes?

The concept would be the same, but the order would be different. Ranger first for the extra skill points at level one, with a level of fighter somewhere in the middle. I'd probably only take a single level of fighter, allowing for 13 Cleric and a few 7th level spells.

[unbongwah]

Here's my idea:

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Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 258
Spell Points: 595 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 18
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    13
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         1                    25
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                6                     7
Heal                 -1                     2
Hide                  7                    14
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  7                    14
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         7                    14
Open Lock             7                     8
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     3
Spot                  3                    12
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                7                     8
Use Magic Device      6                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell (or Empower or Extend)


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

Pros: tomes are back-loaded (good for someone w/minimal resources to start), higher CHA adds extra TUs & Divine Might I/II for more DPS, UMD, Evasion

Cons: low-CON race + low-HP classes = squishy; cleric abilities are backloaded; dump-stating WIS makes you dependent on WIS item, tome, and/or WIS enhs to be able to cast spells; PUGs usually don't like cleric-based builds who aren't "real" healers (i.e., expect some player hate for being such a "gimp" build)

Feats: the must-haves IMHO are Toughness, Power Atk, GTWF, and Empower Heal (RS pre-req). That leaves 3 to choose. My two cents on the options:

• Improved Crit Pierce - the only other melee DPS feat for this build, highly recommended. Can be skipped if you stick with keen/Min2 rapiers, but that limits your weapon choices too much, IMHO. [If you have Harbinger, Turbulent Epees are a decent alternative to MoPG weapons and fairly easy to farm.]
• Maximize - boosts your RS bursts, Cures, and offensive spells, though the SP cost for the latter two might be prohibitive. Worth it just to boost your bursts, IMHO; anything else is gravy.
• Quicken - considered a must-have for any serious healer. Although if you don't use your spells much in combat, can be dropped.
• Empower - like Maximize, worth considering just for the boost to your bursts.
• Extend - mostly useful for short-term buffs (Divine Favor, Divine Power, Recitation, etc.); worth it if you mostly use your SPs for buffs rather than healing or offensive spells, otherwise I'd go with a different meta.

If you had monk, I'd suggest monk 2 / pally 6 / cleric 12 as an alternative; you lose UMD and rgr feats & lvl 1 spells; but gain higher saves (Divine Grace) & HPs (pally Toughness II), fear & disease immunity, Exalted Smite I, Divine Sacrifice I, 1st-tier pally PrE (sadly can't do HotD I / RS II combo).

[pie2655]

Thank you both for taking some time out of your day to help me. It is much appreciated, now i just dont know which build to go with.

[pie2655]

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DivineSlayer 
Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(1 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 13 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 274
Spell Points: 807 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 15
Will: 12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 18                   18
Dexterity            13                 18                   20
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom               11                 11                   13
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 17
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 20)
Balance                  5
Bluff                   -1
Concentration           28.5
Diplomacy               -1
Disable Device          n/a
Haggle                  -1
Heal                     3
Hide                     9
Intimidate              -1
Jump                    12
Listen                   3
Move Silently            7
Open Lock                n/a
Perform                 n/a
Repair                  -1
Search                  -1
Spot                     1
Swim                     4
Tumble                  14.5
Use Magic Device        n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration IV
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning II

[unbongwah]

STR 16 on a 28-pt halfling costs too many stat pts for this build, IMHO, esp. if you start with such low base DEX. You end up having to "waste" lvl-up pts on DEX which makes no sense. Consider something like 14 / 16 / 14 / 8 / 14 / 8 instead (maybe less WIS more INT).

Other issues I see: you back-loaded your rgr lvls so you don't get ITWF & GTWF until lvl 18, which is gonna hurt your DPS while leveling. OTWF is a weak feat; an extra meta like Max or Emp would be better IMHO. I don't think any of the lvl 7 spells are must-haves; consider ftr 2 / cleric 12 instead for +1 STR enh, +1 feat, and a couple more HPs. Half-ranks in skills do nothing, so make sure you even those out.

[pie2655]

I THINK ive fixed most of the problems...

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DivineSlayer 
Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(2 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 747 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 14
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 17                   18
Dexterity            16                 17                   19
Constitution         15                 16                   16
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom               12                 12                   15
Charisma              8                  8                    8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                  4                    4
Bluff                -1                 -1                   -1
Concentration         6                 23                   23
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device       n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                 -1                   -1
Heal                  1                  2                    4
Hide                  3                  4                    8
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  2                  8                   10
Listen                1                  2                    4
Move Silently         3                  4                    6
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                 -1                   -1
Search               -1                 -1                   -1
Spot                  1                  2                    2
Swim                  2                  4                    4
Tumble                n/a               13                   13
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Swap at level 15


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[unbongwah]

Not a fan of splitting lvl-up pts like that; I'd rather use +1 tomes for DEX & CON and put all pts into STR. I also suggest starting with rgr instead of cleric; that gets you 16 extra skill pts to spread around. WF Slash is basically worthless to this build; rearrange things so you can squeeze in another meta like Max or Emp (worth it just to boost your bursts, IMHO).