New D&D MMO and it's impact in DDO

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

DDO has reached maturity and already passed the 5 year mark. In the gaming world, it basically means DDO has already receieved its AARP card and is on schedule for the nursing home.... look forward to the new game to replace DDO.

You are going to be waiting longer then you think.

"Experts" and gamers alike have written off DDO time and time again, each major release supposedly digging DDO deeper into the grave.

However during these times, Turbine was ADDING subs.

The F2P model was Turbines lifeline for many years to come, as was the Warner Bros purchase. Turbines got big cash.

I dont see either swtor or skyrim adding up to much more then a vacation. Neverwinter is vaporware. We'll talk when it SHIPS, and not a day before.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

disagre with the red maybe 20-30 years ago FR was cool but they killed it long ago and its been getting more boring ever since.

We'll see. I still hold out hope modern developers can make it fun again.

I must admit I'm showing my age here a bit

[Muldamai]

Frankly, since coming to DDO, Eberron has grown on me. Maybe even to the point of going beyond FR. The whole arcanepunk environment is pretty darn awesome.

I agree. the steampunk is not so over the top that magic will go by the wayside, and this reminds me of the campaigns we played (oh so many years ago). Magic still ruled the day.

[Failedlegend]

I dont see either swtor or skyrim adding up to much more then a vacation.

SWTOR is a huge disapointment so its no problem there if anything it will be a competitor for WoW since it uses the same system except with an awesome story line (too bad the gameplay sucks cause you can feel the awesomeness of Bioware in the story)

Skyrim...yeah I'll see you guys in 2 or 3 months :P Only reason I'm posting now is because I'm at work...no 360s here :P

[Uska]

We'll see. I still hold out hope modern developers can make it fun again.

I must admit I'm showing my age here a bit

always liked greyhawk and city state of the invincible overlord better than FR myself


guess I am showing my age there

bring out tegel manor for ddo

[ferrite]

You are going to be waiting longer then you think.

"Experts" and gamers alike have written off DDO time and time again, each major release supposedly digging DDO deeper into the grave.

However during these times, Turbine was ADDING subs.

The F2P model was Turbines lifeline for many years to come, as was the Warner Bros purchase. Turbines got big cash.

I dont see either swtor or skyrim adding up to much more then a vacation. Neverwinter is vaporware. We'll talk when it SHIPS, and not a day before.

Yes I understand its very hard to sometimes believe or accept change, esp in regards to something thats become a part of so many players lives, like an old, friendly dog to play with, always loyal, always there.

The dog eventually dies. You grieve, cope, accept then move on.

You make some good points, about WB, big cash, models and ships in the night, et al. Its all very convincing and pleasing to read, like biting into a cream donut, however we cannot stop the march of time, and time demands that DDO take its place among the honored dead, in that great gaming museum in the sky.

I know its hard to hear. Years spent, thousands of hours farming GS ingredients, the friends, the good times, only to have it all vanish before your eyes.. where has the time gone. Yet at the end, the real question to ask is 'Were you entertained?'.. and if you can answer yes, then DDO has served its purpose in your life.

[Binn05]

Actually, if we deviate from my OP and talk about campaign setting preferences, nothing can beat Darksun. It's the cyberpunk of fanstasy games. lol

As far as steampunk goes, Eberron is very fine to me.

But the question remains: Will the competition by another D&D game (could care less about SWTOR or any new mmo - except The Secret World :P) make DDO better?

As I can see from yours posts or a)DDO is dead or b)no other D&D game can struggle with DDO.

Personaly, I hope that the competition make Turbine fix THE LAG and finishing some unfinished things.

[dkyle]

4e is the worst thing to happen to dnd except for dave and gary passing. its what made me decide to never play pnp dnd again almost made me quit this game.

Yeah, those bands of Tieflings and Dragonborn roaming the country, burning all the older DnD books, were really a shame. 4E certainly made it impossible to play whatever edition DnD you prefer.


In any event, anyone who thinks 4E will either make or break the success of Neverwinter MMO is kidding themselves. Although I do think 4E is poorly suited for an MMO, and will require a great deal of modification to work right. I'm very curious about what they do with it.

[Arnhelm]

So I looked this up and read a few things on their website, including the FAQ here http://www.playneverwinter.com/faq

The estimated release is Q4 of 2012... Long time to wait, imo.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

So I looked this up and read a few things on their website, including the FAQ here http://www.playneverwinter.com/faq

The estimated release is Q4 of 2012... Long time to wait, imo.

Thats because they are starting almost from scratch again. Add one legal issue to the mix and you are talking 2013 at the earliest.

[Arnhelm]

Thats because they are starting almost from scratch again. Add one legal issue to the mix and you are talking 2013 at the earliest.

Aye. This will have no impact on DDO for at least a year's time. More people will leave due to the latest rampant plat/tome exploit than for Neverwinter at this point in time.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

Note: I'm not saying 3.5 is a bad edition I just prefer 4e and I don't see where the hate for it comes from

In my opinion:

Feat taxes to remain competitive rather than balancing the progression of to-hit and defenses. (I realize 3e/3.5 isn't any better here, but for a supposedly balanced system, it kind of sucks.)

Boring magic equipment.

Sucky multiclassing. The base feat is potentially useful, the power swap feats after generally suck. I haven't looked into Hybrids much, as they seemed too difficult to pull off well, and don't know if they added anything after that.

Too many base classes. Not enough Paragon/Epic paths.


The base concept is neat, but I've had horrible luck with groups, and horrible dice rolls when I do find one. Every attack is a 50-60% hit chance the entire game, unless you can target non-armor defenses and attack weak ones, or are (un)lucky enough to be fighting the wrong level enemies.

[noinfo]

I think it will have a large temp effect but I think people will not stay with it I think the samething about SWTOR

problem with the new dnd mmo is

1. its 4e
2. cryptic
3. atari
4. its 4e

5. and Apparently is FR
6. its 4e

They can keep it.

[GeneralDiomedes]

3.5 has a lot of problems translating to an MMO, as shown by this game. I think basing another game on 3.5 would be a mistake, followed by years of balancing.

However, this Neverwinter "MMO" is looking like a classic case of lipstick on a pig. Either make it good, or don't release it at all and avoid sullying the D&D name.

[noinfo]

Forgotten Realms > Ebberon.

Unfortunately..

4.0<1.0, 2.0, 3.0, wow, garbage
Cryptic<Turbine
Atari<garbage
Warner Brothers $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > Cryptic $

MMO distinction was suicide. Neverwinter may Neverhappen.

While I am not the biggest fan of Ebberon, anything beats Forgotten Realms

[mystafyi]

PWE is rumored to have gone for the rights to ALL things D&D not just FR in preperation of the Foundry system.

I have also heard that starting in 2013 they might have all rights to D&D MMO's.

[Uska]

I have also heard that starting in 2013 they might have all rights to D&D MMO's.

rumor and turbine has the rights to ddo at least until 2014 sothat shoots what you heard right down

[Bekki]

I think it will have a large temp effect but I think people will not stay with it I think the samething about SWTOR

problem with the new dnd mmo is

1. its 4e
2. cryptic
3. atari
4. its 4e

So very much this. As well as:

5. It's Atari
6. It's 4e

That about sums it up...

"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig..." ~ Old farmer's saying...

[Vanquishedfo]

keep in mind 4e is the cure to all the problems with class imbalance we have in DDO. in 4E there is never any chance your lvl 20 wiz will be better then that lvl 20 fighter. or vice versa, and in fact wont be much different then any other wiz either. 4E is actually somewhat disturbingly popular and more mainstream then I ever saw earlier editions get. I hear about families playing shorter modules as saturday game nights etc now. back in the day D&D was what we social outcasts did and got called cultists etc for it becuase we had books called the monster manual LOL.

Now I personally loathe 4E as a PnP system but as I said earlier no few likemyself have made comments that 4E plays the way one might imagine a D&D MMO would play. and certainly is more about all being equal at all levels then any old RP orientated D&D rule set ever was.

Atari is no longer involved and PWE has a very good rep though many racist who hate on asian MMOs under the guise of them being to grindy( coming from DDO players that is sooo funny) will say PWE is even worse for a mother company.

Cryptic has made several good games. Sure thier head dev is a heavy handed tyrant, he is also a kick as DM by all accounts and an old school D&D player. TYpically a cryptic game goes rough under his handling when players get to mouthy or the corporate higher ups start getting in his way.

Example City of heroes was meant to bea free form classes super hero game. He was fought so hard on it he had to go with a class system against his will and to mock them even named the classes blatantly for what they did and made them extremely narrow defined roles. He hadnt wanted to, he did it knowing in time players would chafe under the heavy limits and want more freedom. When He fought for PvP and an evil side to be added all the higher ups saw was more $$$ and pretty much forced it to be coh reskinned and PVP was in shambles balance wise. Jack made the hard choice only a veteran DM would know to make and went with game wide heavy handed changes meant to bring things back to a more reasonable baseline.

Sure it also nearly killed the game it upset so many. Many like myself left for about a year or more while things sorted out there. and Sure the new dev team made things awesome to the point it has long been my main MMO. But the game I have now still couldnt exist without Jacks hard work and tough choices. I may call him the tyrant state in game mockingly but the fact is taht is what a great DM is to me at the table top to. someone who knowns when things are getting out of control and knows how to bring em back in line even if a player or two lose thier god mode character.

[Failedlegend]

In my opinion:

Feat taxes to remain competitive rather than balancing the progression of to-hit and defenses. (I realize 3e/3.5 isn't any better here, but for a supposedly balanced system, it kind of sucks.) They've recently changed it so those feats actually do something useful other than just increasing to-hit and like you said thats kind of a moot point in a comparison to 3/3.5

Boring magic equipment. Not sure what you mean like this unless your only using the original players handbook....it will be a long time until 4e catches up to 3.5 but only because 3.5 has more books

Sucky multiclassing. The base feat is potentially useful, the power swap feats after generally suck. I haven't looked into Hybrids much, as they seemed too difficult to pull off well, and don't know if they added anything after that. The Hybrid System is awesome albiet a bit hard to learn...as far as multiclassing it again takes mastery to use right

Too many base classes. Not enough Paragon/Epic paths. Again more books, more paths.....new game vs. old game kind of an unfair comparsion as the old one has had far longer to amass alot of books


The base concept is neat, but I've had horrible luck with groups, and horrible dice rolls when I do find one. Heh sorry can't help with that one It took me a while to find a group I enjoyed too

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