So how do I avoid this situation in the future

[xizzen]

So, Im playing DDO a couple Fridays ago, just before the forums went down for a few days, and I get a ticket stating that my account has been identified as receiving platinum or items from platinum sellers & that further action will result in suspension. I dont have any idea what they are accusing me of so I submit a ticket in-game saying just that & asking for additional details. They respond saying that any action taken against my account is throughly researched before a warning is issued & if I would like to discuss it further contact turbine support.
So, I do as directed & contact turbine with my complaint. In addition to asking for details of this transaction I also asked for advice as to how I might be able to avoid potential situations where I might be wrongfully accused of this again. The best they could do for me was give me a date when the transaction occured.
Now, my intention here is not to attempt to prove my innocence as evidently that is a lost cause. I would, however, like some advice on how I am suppose to avoid receiving goods from plat sellers. I believe I know which transaction I got ticketed for based on the date provided, I sold some shroud ingredientd & got 1mil plat for them. All within the rules afaik, advertised on the market trade channel, got asked how much, stated my price & transation completed, end of story right?
So how, if Im doing legit business in game, am I suppose to know the person on the other end is a plat seller and why do I get issued a warning when Im doing everthing through the proper channels.

[cougon42]

I don't have an answer for you, but instead come with a question. What is a 'plat seller'? I've been playing this game for a little bit now and I'm unfamiliar with that term. Since I don't know what it means, I'm fairly certain I'm not doing it, but my curiosity about its meaning has pushed me to ask.

[MsEricka]

It's a common issue actually and has happened to numerous people on Sarlona.

Sellers sell in 1 million increments, if you're doing a sale and you're getting a million for it, ask for a million and one. For some reason the transfer of an even million sets off some kind of alarm with Turbine.

They can't tell if it's legit, they just know it's happened.

[sebastianosmith]

How in the world is this a ticketable offense? Are we talking about gold farmers or a simple transaction between two players? And how is the selling party supposed to know that the buyer is a farmer? Is this akin to the "drop exploit" during the previous Mabar event when several of us got ticketed for logging out when lag rendered the game unplayable? Turbine needs to stop relying on data flags and depend more on human interpretation.

[JOTMON]

Any large tranactions appear to be flagged.

A person quitting the game was giving away his stuff and plat, he got the same canned email as well as the people he was giving his stuff away to.

He was unable to procure any reasonable response from a GM or Turbine as to what he did wrong.

We laughed about it.. but now i have to reconsider taking anyones loot if they quit the game.
It may get me or you banned...

Mabar Dejavu....

Want my stuff?

[Arianrhod]

Well, if it's very large transactions that get flagged, maybe ask the player you're trading with to do the trade in smaller increments?

[redspecter23]

Any large tranactions appear to be flagged.

A person quitting the game was giving away his stuff and plat, he got the same canned email as well as the people he was giving his stuff away to.

He was unable to procure any reasonable response from a GM or Turbine as to what he did wrong.

We laughed about it.. but now i have to reconsider taking anyones loot if they quit the game.
It may get me or you banned...

Mabar Dejavu....

Want my stuff?

I can see it now. The newest best way to grief people? Give them a million plat and get them banned... permanently. Just open a trade window, put some huge amount of plat into it and all the player has to do is click accept and bam. Banhammer.

Seriously Turbine, this is kind of scary for anyone that might want to give items or plat away for legitimate reasons. I've given away large amounts of plat before to help people pay for something on the AH for instance, then they pay me back later. So under this system, we could both get 2 warnings for this action? How many warnings before my entire account is permabanned? Was nothing learned from the Maban event last year? Accusing people of doing something wrong that they weren't even aware they did is NOT cool. You might know who suspected plat sellers are, but players don't necessarily know this.

[xizzen]

I don't have an answer for you, but instead come with a question. What is a 'plat seller'?

I can only offer a guess, I believe some are exchanging RW money for in game plat. Was in a party not long ago where people were taking about a website where you could buy epic scrolls, guessing the same thing is going on with plat.

[xizzen]

How in the world is this a ticketable offense? Are we talking about gold farmers or a simple transaction between two players?

just to be clear. I am in NO WAY engaged in farming & selling for RW (real world) profit. As to the transaction I got ticketed for, I can only speak for myself. I have no idea what the other party may or may not have been doing outside of the game.

[az4a3l]

It wasnt ur fault, u now just know to avoid gettin 1 million solid plat, i buy and sell hearts that cost far more than that, but my limit is 500k and u make the rest with items.
Just an outdated flag system.

[danotmano1998]

So selling something on the AH for a million plat is perfectly acceptable.
That is, after all, what it was intended for, no?

Is selling something in game via trade channel acceptable?
Is there some sort of limit?

Why would it not be ok to use the trade channel for what it is intended and then barter the items for the agreed amount? If this is a bannable offense, then why is there even a trade channel in existence??


Come on Turbine! I've read the agreement through. I don't see anything about not being able to sell or trade your items in game.

[countfitz]

The irony is, just a week ago there was a pretty popular post on the actual subject of selling Turbine Points for Items, which is De Facto (seriously, if you argue with this, I'll beat you) selling items for cash. Turbine seems pretty complicit in this, since they're getting a cut of the action. And yet Turbine still has the audacity to flag you for an innocent trade. Maban all over again nothing, this is just a new low.

[TheLallian]

Firstly need to make a distinction between farmers (legit) and plat sellers (bannable).

1. Farmers are players that farm quests etc. for items and sell them in-game for plat or trade for other valuable items. Nothing wrong with this and is actually part of the internal economy of DDO.

2. Plat sellers (aka Gold sellers) sell plat (or items) for real world money. This is against the terms and conditions of DDO (every MMORPG has its share of Gold sellers, this is nothing specific to DDO). Paying with real world money and receiving plat/items in-game will probably get you banned/suspended or if you lucky, just a warning, depending on how sure DDO are on what happened.

So you should have nothing to worry about if you trade with a player in-game and have no real world settlement arrangement. Though you could be unlucky and trade, unwittingly, with a plat seller. However if your trade is market related in terms of value/price then you should be ok. If you sell a Large Devil Scale for 400kplat then that is justifiable, selling +1 Mace and getting 2 million plat will probably get flagged as suspicious.

I agree wholeheartedly that whatever systems DDO have to detect plat seller activity, it should be reviewed holistically by a staff member before any action is taken. DDO should contact all parties in their attempts to address the situation (unless it is blatant I suppose).

The worst thing that DDO can do is act unilaterally.

[xizzen]

The worst thing that DDO can do is act unilaterally.

Which is exactly what they did.

[Orratti]

I don't have an answer for you, but instead come with a question. What is a 'plat seller'? I've been playing this game for a little bit now and I'm unfamiliar with that term. Since I don't know what it means, I'm fairly certain I'm not doing it, but my curiosity about its meaning has pushed me to ask.

I have to lol on this one. A plat seller is someone who will sell ingame plat or items for real cash. That you have this question at all speaks volumes. There was a time when you couldn't play the game for an hour practically without getting spammed tells or recieve mail in game from some(many) plat seller(s).

Op sorry about what happened to you.

[donfilibuster]

Players are watched not just for plat sellers but for hackers, etc.
I imagine that it is possible that the player in the trade might indeed be a plat seller, specially if such player is agreeing to a nice deal.
The 'further action' i suppose would be if you keep doing trades with said player once you have been warned.

But unless you sell lots of mats every day at high prices it'd be very bad luck to find another plat seller among the buyers.
Granted, sometimes you need to get rid of all your things to buy a pricy thing like a heart or epic scroll, but then keep in mind you may get watched since people that give away things might be hackers.
(or worse, such as depressed/suicidal teens, this thing do happen in MMOs)

[DeafeningWhisper]

Wow, good to know. My friends and I pull all the really rare loot for a single toon to sell in the Market place (he has real good real life "haggle") and then split the profits in equal parts, so some times (like when I got a Ioun stone and a few epic scrolls) we end up with a more then a million each been traded to our mains. Never thought that could be viewed as "illegal".

To the Op, sorry about what happened to you dude.

P.S. I've only heard of a "plat seller" of sorts once, a guy in Necro was selling passes for plat.

[donfilibuster]

There was a recent case of players pointing fingers to a guild that seemingly to be there just to farm plat.
But in the end farming plat and actually selling it was not quite the same so it is up to the devs/gms to watch and judge.

The case was with toons built to farm mindsunder day and night and nothing else, presumibly to then buy things for the main toon.
But it was highly suspicious so those kind of setups do ring a bell on both players and devs/gms.
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