Spell List survey for Savants

[drachine]

1st: hypnotism, jump, nightshield, tumble
2nd: blur, glitterdust, resist energy, web
3rd: displacement, haste, rage, suggestion
4th: dimension door, ice storm, repair critical damage, wall of fire
5th: ball lightning, cloudkill, eladar's electric surge, niac's biting cold
6th: chain lightning, disintegrate, otiluke's freezing sphere
7th: delayed blast fireball, finger of death, prismatic spray
8th: mass charm monster, otto's irresistable dance, polar ray
9th: energy drain, hold monster mass, wail of the banshee

incidentally these are my enhancements. i forgo critical modifiers for fire/ice but maxed out the critical chance

Sorcerer Bloodline of Power 2
Sorcerer Improved Maximize II 6
Sorcerer Improved Heighten I 4
Sorcerer Air Savant III 8
Glacial Spellcasting VI 6
Charged Spellcasting VI 6
Combustive Spellcasting VI 6
Deadly Shocks VI 6
Frost Manipulation VII 7
Storm Manipulation VII 7
Flame Manipulation VII 7
Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded 3
Sorcerer Charisma III 12

[scoobmx]

Race: Warforged
Build: Air Savant with crowd control secondary and tertiaries Cold, Fire, and Force
Level 1 Spells: Jump, Nightshield, Magic Missile, Hypnotism
Level 2 Spells: Web, Resist Energy, Knock, Gust of Wind
Level 3 Spells: Displacement, Rage, Haste, Magic Circle against Evil
Level 4 Spells: Wall of Fire, Ice Storm, Dimension Door, Crushing Despair
Level 5 Spells: Eladar's, Niac's, Protection from Elements, Ball Lightning
Level 6 Spells: Chain Lightning, Reconstruct, Disintegrate
Level 7 Spells: Delayed Blase Fireball, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Finger of Death
Level 8 Spells: Polar Ray, Otto's Irresistable Dance, Symbol of Death
Level 9 Spells: Mass Hold Monster, Wail of the Banshee, Energy Drain

[Isharah]

Race: Human
Build: Water savant, light secondary on force, single ranks on lighting. Nuker/spot CC.

Lvl 1: Shield, Protection from Evil, Expeditious Retreat, Jump
Lvl 2: Resist Energy, Web, Blur, Knock
Lvl 3: Haste, Rage, Displace, Frost Lance
Lvl 4: Stoneskin, Fire Shield, Force Missile, Ice Storm
Lvl 5: Break Enchantment, Cone of Cold, Eladar's Electric Surge, Niac's Biting Cold
Lvl 6: Otiluke's Freezing Sphere, Disintegrate, Flesh to Stone
Lvl 7: Protection from Elements (Mass), Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Finger of Death
Lvl 8: Otto's Irresistible Dance, Polar Ray, Power Word: Stun
Lvl 9: Power Word: Kill, Energy Drain, Wail of the Banshee

Scrolled: Invisibility, Greater Heroism, Dimension Door, Teleport, Globe of Invulnerability

[GotSomeQuestions]

If we get a few more lists, I could compile them and see what the most popular choices are. Could be a good resource for newer players, although it's also good to see whole lists, since there are synergies that might not show up on a composite.

[karl_k0ch]

If we get a few more lists, I could compile them and see what the most popular choices are. Could be a good resource for newer players, although it's also good to see whole lists, since there are synergies that might not show up on a composite.

I was thinking of that at the start, but alone the combinations of fleshy/wf + primary + secondary allow at least 32 different setups which makes compiling rather tedious. If you want to volunteer for this task, be my guest.

[GotSomeQuestions]

I was just going to sort each spell level into staple (almost always used), common (often used), and unusual (more rarely used). Reconstruct might get two entries (staple for wf, unusual otherwise), but I think the rest will sort themselves out.

[zombieaon]

Since I got back from a year+ hiatus, I've been an earth savant on my TR'd Sorcerer and am really liking it. Earthgrab is an amazing CC spell, and the SP/damage ratio on acid spells is super efficient. I recently respec'd for fire secondary and am liking it alot. With superior fire lore on my cloak and superior acid lore on my boots combined with the elemental essence ring, I'm very happy with the numbers


Race: Human
Build: Earth Savant, Fire secondary, CC/Nuker

Lvl 1: Nightshield, Protection from Evil, Magic Missile, Jump
Lvl 2: Resist Energy, Web, Blur, Scorching Ray
Lvl 3: Haste, Rage, Displace, Acid Blast
Lvl 4: Acid Rain, Fire Shield, Dimension Door, Firewall
Lvl 5: Break Enchantment, Protection from Elements, Cloudkill, Teleport
Lvl 6: Greater Heroism, Disintegrate, Flesh to Stone
Lvl 7: Delayed Blast Fireball, Waves of Exhaustion, Finger of Death
Lvl 8: Black Dragon Bolt, Symbol of Death, Power Word: Stun
Lvl 9: Mass Hold Monster, Meteor Swarm, Wail of the Banshee

[GotSomeQuestions]

Okay, here's the current breakdown. I ended up with four categories. There were 16 full lists (although several were missing a spell), so I counted every spell that was in at least 15 of the lists as a staple, everything that was in 9-14 of the lists as common, everything that showed up 4-8 times as uncommon, and everything that showed up on less than a quarter of the lists as rare.

Level One!
Staples: Jump, (Night)shield (I counted these as one spell)
Common: none
Uncommon: Expeditious Retreat, Protection from Evil, Magic Missile, Hypnotism
Rare: Detect Secret Doors, Feather Fall, Tumble

Level Two!
Staples: Resist Energy, Web
Common: Blur, Knock
Uncommon: none
Rare: Invisibility, Scorching Ray, Gust of Wind, Glitterdust

Level Three!
Staples: Haste, Rage, Displacement
Common: none
Uncommon: Magic Circle Against Evil
Rare: Acid Blast, Chain Missiles, Repair Serious Damage, Frost Lance, Lightning Bolt, Protection from Energy, Halt Undead, Suggestion

Level Four!
Staples: none
Common: Dimension Door, Ice Storm, Fire Shield
Uncommon: Wall of Fire, Acid Rain, Stoneskin, Crushing Despair
Rare: Enervation, Solid Fog, Repair Critical Damage, Force Missiles, Phantasmal Killer

Level Five!
Staples: Niac's Biting Cold
Common: Eladar's Electric Surge
Uncommon: Cloudkill, Ball Lightning, Protection from Elements, Break Enchantment, Cone of Cold
Rare: Teleport, Cyclonic Blast, Waves of Fatigue

Level Six!
Staples: Disintegrate
Common: none
Uncommon: Reconstruct (Staple for WF), Chain Lightning, Otiluke's Freezing Sphere, Greater Heroism, Circle of Death
Rare: Flesh to Stone, Acid Fog

Level Seven!
Staples: none
Common: Finger of Death, Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Uncommon: Waves of Exhaustion, Mass Protection from Elements, Delayed Blast Fireball
Rare: Prismatic Spray, Banishment

Level Eight!
Staples: none
Common: Polar Ray, Otto's Irresistible Dance
Uncommon: Symbol of Death, Power Word: Stun
Rare: Black Dragon Bolt, Summon Monster VIII, Trap the Soul, Mass Charm Monster

Level Nine!
Staples: Wail of the Banshee
Common: Energy Drain, Mass Hold Monster
Uncommon: Meteor Swarm, Power Word: Kill
Rare: none

[Xiadais]

Before I TR'ed my sorc into a wizard, slightly after House Cannith but before I had the pack:

Drow Pure Water Savant, Secondary Elec, Nuker + CC

1: Exped. Retreat, Hypnotism, Jump, Nightshield
2: Blur, Resist Energy, Scorching Ray, Web
3: Chain Missiles, Displacement, Haste, Rage
4: DDoor, Enervation, Fire Shield, Ice Storm
5: Cloudkill, Cone of Cold, Eladar's Electric Surge, Niac's Biting Cold
6: Disintegrations, Flesh to Stone, Greater Heroism
7: Banishment, Finger of Death, Otto's Sphere of Dancing
8: Black Dragon Bolt, Otto's Irresistible Dance, Polar Ray
9: Energy Drain, Wail of the Banshee, Mass Hold Monster

If I would go back to it (well, WHEN), with MOAR DCs:
1: Hypnotism, Jump, Nightshield, Detect Secret Doors?
2: Blur, Knock, Resist Energy, Web
3: Displacement, Rage, Haste, STINKING CLOUD (for concealment when asked for, unless it doesn't work)
4: Crushing Despair, Dimension Door, Fire Shield, Ice Storm
5: Break Enchantment, Cone of Cold, Eladar's Electric Surge, Niac's Biting Cold
6: Circle of Death, Flesh to Stone, Greater Heroism
7: Finger of Death, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Prismatic Spray (maybe something else instead)
8: Black Dragon Bolt, Otto's Irresistible Dance, Polar Ray
9: Energy Drain, Mass Hold Monster, Wail of the Banshee (maybe/probably PWK or Meteor Swarm in place of Energy Drain)