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    Quote Originally Posted by Khellendros13 View Post
    I needed Epic Spectrals and Ravens sight set (Goggles+ EGoMF) to hit reliably. 36str with Epic Ring of Baphomet.
    Also you will want Epic Spare Hand for the Belt slot unless tanking - 48 or so Stunning Fist is too good to pass up.
    I went Epic Bracers of the Hunter and Ravens Sight for epic DPS mode.
    Considered going that route was well, but for some reason I believed Ravens set was bugged with Wraps. So I guess I could fit that in, but that would mean less DPS AND less to-hit until I got Bracers of the Hunter (and with Sands we all know how long that will take)...
    But I guess it would be a reliable bonus, instead of situational,so I will look into that.

    Regarding the Spare Hand, I have the intention of eventually looking into challenges to try to get that, I'll hit you up in game to know what to expect of how many tokens I'll need to get it, etc.
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    funny thing is, these builds have been a around for a while, they werent really viable since the fix/buff of defensive stance.
    i would highly advise against pal lvl, and advise like you said, taking 2 art lvls for max umd on not only heal scrolls, but fireshield, and arti ele/metal wep dmg scrolls, and the 25% dr shield is amazing.
    but you dont have to take a huge hit in your saves, you can easily shave off a stat or two from the start and start with a 13 cha, and take paladin dili.
    if you take the enhancements thats +5 saves (or equal to your cha mod) which is the same thing as having a 20 cha as 2 pal splash.
    and i know you lose rog dil, but ohwell. its a tank, the point it to have agro, youll lose dps while stunning but if you know the Trip earth finisher use it religiously, you dont have dps problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chippkipp View Post
    Take cleric dille. You can already chug cure serious pots at level 1. You gain cure critical wand usage at level 7. With your heal amp, cure crit wand and pots is all you should need for a long time. I didn't take the rest of the cleric dille enchancements til 16th to enable 95% heal scroll usage. It's a wonderful thing. Use free feat swap to change to rogue dille for increased damage for running those epics.
    of course took clr dili to cap then switched. ended with rounded stats, same saves, but more versatility.

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    Great build, just had 1 question. with the new lvl cap what are the lvls gonna look like? more monk, more fighter or more pally?
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    What's your to-hit and Intimidate when you tank?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapkill View Post
    Great build, just had 1 question. with the new lvl cap what are the lvls gonna look like? more monk, more fighter or more pally?
    I have no idea. We'll have to wait and see what the new cap offers when it comes out, no? =} Personally, I'm hoping we can finally get to be more than 3 different classes ;D

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    What's your to-hit and Intimidate when you tank?
    Is this directed at me?
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    I noticed you mentioned 2 Arty instead of 2 Paladin for higher UMD use & the always useful Trapskills at the sacrifice of +5ish to your saves.

    Would it be worth it to take the Paladin Dilly instead of rogue Dilly since you plan on having aggro most of the time anyways or do you see the SA alot due to stunning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droken View Post
    Is this directed at me?
    Yes. What's your to-hit and Intimidate when you tank? You allude to tanking up to elite LOB. Just curious if you've got no-fail Intim for LOB, and if you're hitting on a 2 with his high AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    I noticed you mentioned 2 Arty instead of 2 Paladin for higher UMD use & the always useful Trapskills at the sacrifice of +5ish to your saves.

    Would it be worth it to take the Paladin Dilly instead of rogue Dilly since you plan on having aggro most of the time anyways or do you see the SA alot due to stunning?
    With my current TR, I actually have the 2 arty levels. In all honesty, I liked the 2 paladin levels much better. The hit to saves is HUGE. I do sneak attack a lot due to stunning, but that's only for trash mobs anyways and they're not usually a problem.

    I'm thinking either paladin dilly with arty levels, or cleric dilly with paladin levels like I originally had would be better than the arty levels with rogue dilly I have right now. With paladin levels, you get even higher saves due to aura 1 that all paladins start with, as well as 1 higher AC from the aura too. I was soloing VoD last night again on Hard just for fun, and I noticed I failed UMD checks on a 1 even when I had over 100% on the scrolls. =S So I'm thinking 95% with cleric dilly is the exact same thing as max UMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Yes. What's your to-hit and Intimidate when you tank? You allude to tanking up to elite LOB. Just curious if you've got no-fail Intim for LOB, and if you're hitting on a 2 with his high AC.
    I actually swap in my Brawn's spirits when I need to intim. My DPS is high enough to keep aggro between when he's flying up into the air. When he lands, I toss on the Brawn's Spirits, intim, then swap back to something more useful. Right now I'm deciding between that +1 to all stats book thingy from Abbot and Gem of Many Facets since I'm currently using Epic Raven's Sight. Turns out that the Raven's Sight combo stacks with +4 to attack from items or Epic Spectral Gloves. So that's an additional +8 to attack right there. =O

    I admittedly was having a difficult time hitting the LoB before these changes. I would always have another melee keep imp destruction on the LoB whenever possible.

    So far I've only successfully tanked LoB on Hard. I was getting hit fairly often on Elite even with 105 AC buffed. The only time I attempted Elite, we didn't fully debuff LoB with cursespewing and what not though. I've filled out my item wish list so I can actually hit 110 AC now, but Elite's kinda pointless. Hard gets you a good shot at the refined fragments you need, and Epic is required for the exquisite ones. I just completed my tier 3 wraps last night! =D

    Has anyone tanked LoB on epic with anything other than a FvS? =S
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    Hmm, one idea for the extra levels would be 12 monk/7 fighter/6 paladin... although not sure on how these levels would work or what stacks/will stack between DoS and SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacktista View Post
    well the same person made this build as well so wanted to say thanks to him.
    I assume you took your character concept from my Emerald V 1.0? Looking back now, yes, I think monk 6 is definitely a better choice than paladin 6. You'd qualify for earth stance 2, and benefit from 25% incorporealty. Of course, even more monk levels are desired now or days, hence the creation of version 2.0 =D If you did derive your character from one of my Emerald builds, you're very welcome! =}

    Khellendros13,

    I just wanted to thank you for keeping up with my thread and answering questions while I was absent.

    Darknark,

    Giving the proper thanks to Agordy as usual. =] You always have my back!

    chippkipp,

    And a special thanks to chippkipp for all the helpful posts you made.

    I was afraid my character concept would fall into disuse while I was gone, but even to this day I get the random "thank you!" when I log into game even from people not from Cannith server. =D It really makes me feel appreciated.

    So again, thank you all for keeping up with this thread!

    I've made a few item changes to my personal character, but nothing you guys can't and haven't already figured out. I use Epic Spectral Gloves for the +4 to hit on bosses I have trouble hitting, replaced the Event Ring with an Epic Seal of the Earth, and I also made a Mineral Greensteel Belt to make up for the Heavy Fort and Protection 5 I needed. As an item option, I also have a pair of Large Augment Goggles of Attack +4 for when the healing amp and intim of Epic Gloves of Claw are preffered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droken View Post
    I assume you took your character concept from my Emerald V 1.0? Looking back now, yes, I think monk 6 is definitely a better choice than paladin 6. You'd qualify for earth stance 2, and benefit from 25% incorporealty. Of course, even more monk levels are desired now or days, hence the creation of version 2.0 =D If you did derive your character from one of my Emerald builds, you're very welcome! =}

    Khellendros13,

    I just wanted to thank you for keeping up with my thread and answering questions while I was absent.

    Darknark,

    Giving the proper thanks to Agordy as usual. =] You always have my back!

    chippkipp,

    And a special thanks to chippkipp for all the helpful posts you made.

    I was afraid my character concept would fall into disuse while I was gone, but even to this day I get the random "thank you!" when I log into game even from people not from Cannith server. =D It really makes me feel appreciated.

    So again, thank you all for keeping up with this thread!
    Np. My current build is actually 12/6/2 Monk Pally Fighter inspired from this build thread. Waiting for the ability to go NinjaSpy2/DoS3
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    How well does this build function without all that Epic Gear and past lives?
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    how do you manage a 97... ive looked at it and i cant figure out how.... but thats only on the planner can you give a breakdown please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZicronBringerOfFear View Post
    how do you manage a 97... ive looked at it and i cant figure out how.... but thats only on the planner can you give a breakdown please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    How well does this build function without all that Epic Gear and past lives?
    Unfortunately, melees are all about gear. This holds true for just about any rpg game. You can go without the past lives though. I just have Ranger and Fighter on Kelida, but I'm not using any of the active past life feats currently.

    You can get to 20 pretty successfully without all the uber epic gear, and you can still tank most of the game without them either. For instance, to tank Horoth on normal, you can be amazing with only about 80 AC. (I can hit 110 raid buffed, which is way overkill for this.) I think you only need like 75 or so for Sully? It's only when you want to do the toughest raids on the highest difficulties that you really need the best of the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droken View Post
    Unfortunately, melees are all about gear. This holds true for just about any rpg game. You can go without the past lives though. I just have Ranger and Fighter on Kelida, but I'm not using any of the active past life feats currently.

    You can get to 20 pretty successfully without all the uber epic gear, and you can still tank most of the game without them either. For instance, to tank Horoth on normal, you can be amazing with only about 80 AC. (I can hit 110 raid buffed, which is way overkill for this.) I think you only need like 75 or so for Sully? It's only when you want to do the toughest raids on the highest difficulties that you really need the best of the best.
    Thanks my buddy is planning on trying this build and melee's aren't exactly my forte. He's likely going 2 Arty w/ Pally Dilly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    Thanks my buddy is planning on trying this build and melee's aren't exactly my forte. He's likely going 2 Arty w/ Pally Dilly
    Is it possible to get the UMD required as 12mnk/7fighter/1arti? If so that would be how i rocked it out. Half elf - 12mnk/7fighter/1 arti pali dili.

    Atm Im building the final life on my wf tank as 12mnk/7fighter/1 arti umd etc. going to check whether it will work at 20 or just go 12/8 or whatever. (He has past life fighter and monk)

    I am then tring another toon to a fleshy/dps tank and will look at something like the emerald build.
    Things I alreayd have on build to tr = Icy's, base and epic components for Brawns Spirit and Grims bracelet, All epic components for Epic Seal of earth (Except the base lol) Thraak wraps, access to cold iron/silver wraps which I can craft onto. Mats to craft a specific greensteel item. Various other stuff.
    I think I will give it a go as it looks like a tight build and I have alot of the epic stuff already just lookin for the right build really.
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    With only 1 arty instead of 2, you miss out on rune arm use. The ranged viability is pretty bad ass for epic LoB raids as a dps. Lightning strike on Toven's Hammer stacks with any procs you have on a lit2 or alchemical repeater.
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    Yeah there is the rune arm use with 2 lvls of arti, just not sure if it is what i want, I dunno will look a little further into it although 1 lvl of rog gets sneak plus UMD and pali dili can still fit in there on a half elf.
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