advice on pure fighter builds

[Arilis]

I'm planning to roll a new character and would like some advice on which build would be better. I would like to be able to handle end game content, but if neither build is able to then at least be able to reach level 20 to be able to TR. I am not sure what gear I will be trying to get so did not add it to either build.



Build 1

Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male
(20 Fighter)
Hit Points: 404
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 8
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 20 32
Dexterity 14 14
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 6 6
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 6 6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Orcish Fury II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

[Arilis]

Build 2



Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male
(20 Fighter)
Hit Points: 416
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 9
Will: 5

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 29
Dexterity 16 17
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 6 6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Orcish Fury II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization II


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery III


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III

[Kinerd]

You will be able to handle end game content with either build and (relatively) easily obtainable gear. With that said, they can both be tweaked a little:

Build 1:
Haste Boost IV (you could straight trade Toughness IV for it)
Power Critical is a literally useless feat. You will never see any benefit from it. As a Kensei you have +7 to confirm criticals, and you are not going to be missing that much anyway, another +4 is literally useless.
Iron Will is almost completely useless. You will have buffs and immunities that take care of almost all Will save attacks, and against those that don't your save is probably not going to be good enough to matter anyway.
Possible replacements: Toughnesses (with some feat re-arrangement), Improved Sunder.

Build 2:
Dodge is almost completely useless. Your AC is just not going to be good enough. Same suggestion for replacements as above.

Without an eSoS, THF is inferior single-target DPS in end-game. If single-target DPS is a goal of yours, therefore, build 2 will be categorically better for a long time.

[Varashad]

Half-Orc fighter Two Handed build

Stats:
Strength 20(+2 tome at level 7)
Dexterity 14
Constitution 16(+2 tome at level 7)
Intelligence 6
Wisdom 8
Charisma 6

Feats: At level 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, and 18 you will take the toughness feat. This simplifies this so I only have to cover the fighter bonus feats.

Fighter feats:
Level 1: Power Attack
Level 2: Weapon Focus: Slashing
Level 4: Weapon Specialization: Slashing
Level 6: Two Handed Fighting
Level 8: Improved Critical Slashing
Level 10 Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 12: Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing
Level 14: Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 16: Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing
Level 18: Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing
Level 20: Improved Sunder/Stunning Blow

Feel free to tweak the feats to as you prefer. Stunning Blow is useful during level ups, but not mandatory. Imp Sunder is used almost exclusively on bosses, but works on most anything if you want to see it's fort and AC drop.

Enhancements in no particular order
Orichs Melee Damage II: 6 AP
Orcish Power Attack III: 12 AP
Orcish Strength II: 18 AP
Racial Toughness II: 21 AP
Fighter Toughness II: 24 AP
Fighter Strength III: 36 AP
Fighter Attack Boost III: 42 AP
Fighter Critical Accuracy III: 48 AP
Fighter Weapon Specialization II: 51 AP
Fighter Kensai III: 59 AP
Kensai Specified Weapon Mastery III: 62 AP
Fighter Haste Boost IV: 72 AP

This leaves you 8 AP to play with. If you went with stunning blow, then you will take
Fighter Strategy(Stunning Blow) III: 78 AP
Fighter Weapon Alacrity: 80 AP

If you went with Improved Sunder then replace the Stunning Blow enhancements with Sunder Enhancements.

Strength breakdown:
20 base, +2 tomes, +5 level, +5 enhancements, +7 item, +3 exceptional, +2 rage, +2 ship buff, +8 power surge = 54

Damage: +27 strength, +16 power attack, +4 weapon specialization feats, +4 kensai and fighter enhancements, +5 weapon enchantment(+10 with epic sword of shadows), +4 half-orc enhancements, +2 shintao set, +2 frenzied berserker set = 64 dmg per swing before criticals and burst effects on weapons and dice are rolled.

Hitpoints
200 fighter
20 heroic durability
154 7x toughness feats
40 enhancements
10 gianthold favor
80 constitution
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504 hp naked and unbuffed
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Geared
60 +6 con item
40 +3 exceptional con and +7 con item
30 Greater False Life
20 Minos Legens
45 Green steel
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619 hp equipped
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Maintainable buffs
20 rage potions
40 yugoloth potions(tanking only)
20 ship buffs
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699 hp tanking, 659 dps

I won't pretend this is the best build, but it's what I'm using, minus the tomes, for my fighter. You'll have a very durable toon who can tank most content and will be able to survive well in epics.

[somenewnoob]

You will be able to handle end game content with either build and (relatively) easily obtainable gear. With that said, they can both be tweaked a little:

Build 1:
Haste Boost IV (you could straight trade Toughness IV for it)
Power Critical is a literally useless feat. You will never see any benefit from it. As a Kensei you have +7 to confirm criticals, and you are not going to be missing that much anyway, another +4 is literally useless.
Iron Will is almost completely useless. You will have buffs and immunities that take care of almost all Will save attacks, and against those that don't your save is probably not going to be good enough to matter anyway.
Possible replacements: Toughnesses (with some feat re-arrangement), Improved Sunder.

Build 2:
Dodge is almost completely useless. Your AC is just not going to be good enough. Same suggestion for replacements as above.

Without an eSoS, THF is inferior single-target DPS in end-game. If single-target DPS is a goal of yours, therefore, build 2 will be categorically better for a long time.

Agree about Iron Will and dodge, pwer crit is really only beneficial on a couple epic mobs with very high AC and is pretty useless as well since you'll confirm most of the time anyways with the other stuff. Better to go with extra toughness instead of those.

All in all decent builds.

[Varashad]

Well, I'd wrote up a twfing build as well, but the forums saw fit to log me out so it's lost, and I don't feel like typing it all up again right now. Use the orc build I posted. It'll do you well from level 1-20 and kick ass the entire time.