Why groups have hard time getting rogues/healers

[vampiregoat69]

Dear Sarlona you wonder why it is hard to get us rogues and the healers on your server. This is why, I was in a group and doing a quest with traps. I tell the group as a rogue trap ahead please let me get it. Some of the group zerg through the trap anways dying and trying to get to the monsters that were no threat at the current time. I tell them please I am the rogue let me get the traps first. Suddenly a member of the group yells, "WHAT do you think that this game revolves around you?" proceeded by cussing me out.

I said please read my bio which stated if I stop you stop if I run try to keep up. This again did not sit well with said member as again he proceeded to cuss me out further to where I said, "FINE call me that and you can get the traps on your own I am out." I then recalled out and left group.

He was not even the one that set off the trap he was a bard/healer and was the one that had to deal with the Res. of the dead members but yelled at ME for asking others to wait so I could make the path clear. THIS is one reason no rogue or healer for that matter wants to be in a group cause if the trap is not disarmed by some SUPER power that some how they feel all rogues have then the rogue must be cussed out.

[Kmnh]

It is common to zerg through the traps and leave the rogue behind disabling them for the xp bonus. If people do that and survive, that means you are on a good party, ready for a quick and smooth completion and maybe some nice farming.

If people die at the trap then throw a temper tantrum, laugh at them and keep going. We can't heal stupid. Not even the divines can.

[elricken]

Rogues can disable traps?

[sebastianosmith]

Rogues can disable traps?

If you hit a trap hard enough with one, yes.

[elricken]

If you hit a trap hard enough with one, yes.

Oh, well.. the more you know..

[Seamonkeysix]

Rogues can disable traps?

Hmmm... I thought barbarians were for traps.

On a serious note, it can be irritating when doing epic TTT or others with epic traps that can really hurt if you don't use your rogue effectively. I don't think this is a server issue, but a general DDO issue. We all get used to laughing off traps. Sometimes, they just aren't that funny. Players need to know the difference.

[AZgreentea]

I just let them run through them. If they dont want to stop, then they can help me find the area of effect for the trap with their faces. I have evasion, what do I care?

[somenewnoob]

Real men disarm traps with their face.

[Enoach]

The issue is that traps don't stop people, even people that in no way could survive the trap unless the Trap rolls a 1

People take unnecessary damage, people do stupid stuff.

As a healer, I do not waste SP on stupid damage or death. If they want to do that to themselves, I can't stop them. DDO has not implemented GRAB/TACKLE fellow players.

I will run through/around a trap when no one in the party can disable it. I will do everything I can to survive and keep the party alive to survive through it. Even if it means Res them on the other side. With someone that can disable the trap, I'll wait because I have no desire to tempt fate or take unnecessary damage. But then again, I'm not racing to see how fast I can get the quest done or how many things I can kill. I'm simply in the quest for loot and completion.

[xMyst87]

I just tr'd my monk (Gaii) to my first healer ever, even though I've capped a dozen times between my characters. I honestly thought it'd be difficult and annoying playing a new role - especially one that gets so much flak already.

It's not.

It turns out, when you know the game pretty well it doesn't matter what you're doing because you'll pick it up quickly and you have the right gear to make anything work. I outmelee most the dps, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Sometimes I'll drop greater command on every single mob because the group dynamic actually requires so little healing.

While people say it's difficult to get rogues and healers in their party, I have 2-3 of each literally half the time. I host my own lfms and maybe seeing another cleric makes people feel less pressure healing (though they don't realize I'm monk splash dpser), and with new artificers the number of rogues has increased a lot.

I call out every trap I can remember and heal/raise the idiots because scrolls and plat don't mean anything at all to me, but quite honestly it's pretty funny to me. I have huge evasion saves and hp so the risk of wiping hasn't yet been a threat, but hell, I was a noob once and you learn to listen somehow. You snapping at them just brings out their dark side too - regardless of how prone it was to being evoked already. There's really only so much you can do it'll be fine dude.

[aristarchus1000]

It is common to zerg through the traps and leave the rogue behind disabling them for the xp bonus. If people do that and survive, that means you are on a good party, ready for a quick and smooth completion and maybe some nice farming.

If people die at the trap then throw a temper tantrum, laugh at them and keep going. We can't heal stupid. Not even the divines can.

QFT.

As a trapmonkey, you can let people know, but don't get upset if someone rushes out ahead. A number of experienced players will just dodge the trap and keep going, while the trapmonkey stays behind and gets the traps to max out the XP. Occasionally they THINK they can dodge a trap and fail (I've done this. oops ) . They shouldn't be getting mad if that happens.

First time poor healers can have a bit rough, but don't stress if someone rushes out ahead. Anyone who rushes ahead should be able to handle themselves, if they can't, it's their fault. Do your best to keep up, but if you can't dodge a trap, for example, feel free to wait for the trapmonkey to get it. Anyone who dodged the trap should take care of themselves until the cleric catches up.

There are a lot of "wanna be" zergers and "vets" out there. If they ragequit, thank them for leaving. :P

[Talon_Moonshadow]

You should never give unsolicited advice.


Let those who want to run through the traps do so. Don't heal them....at least for awhile.
Don't need to say anything.

If the whole group runs through traps, eventually you should just stat running through them too IMO.

If they ask you to get the traps (from the other side) ask them Why? If they say for the XP bonus, tell them we already lost XP cause people ran through the traps and died. (actually....not a good idea to say that...lol)

Anyway...best to just let people do what they want.
The more idiotic they play, the more reason not to say anything to them.




(And a general rule, I think no spoilers should be given....ever. Traps are part of the surprise. But it's ok to tall them after you get the spot traps symbol, cause that is part of the game.)

[Sirgleno]

Dear Sarlona you wonder why it is hard to get us rogues and the healers on your server. This is why, I was in a group and doing a quest with traps. I tell the group as a rogue trap ahead please let me get it. Some of the group zerg through the trap anways dying and trying to get to the monsters that were no threat at the current time. I tell them please I am the rogue let me get the traps first. Suddenly a member of the group yells, "WHAT do you think that this game revolves around you?" proceeded by cussing me out.

I said please read my bio which stated if I stop you stop if I run try to keep up. This again did not sit well with said member as again he proceeded to cuss me out further to where I said, "FINE call me that and you can get the traps on your own I am out." I then recalled out and left group.

He was not even the one that set off the trap he was a bard/healer and was the one that had to deal with the Res. of the dead members but yelled at ME for asking others to wait so I could make the path clear. THIS is one reason no rogue or healer for that matter wants to be in a group cause if the trap is not disarmed by some SUPER power that some how they feel all rogues have then the rogue must be cussed out.

Two things:

1.) Don't count on people reading your bio.

2.) Your instruction "if I stop you stop if I run try to keep up" is just unfriendly (what I really think here wouldn't make it through the censors). Try honey, works better than vinegar.

I bet the rest of the party will recognize your high ideals, and wouldn't ever blacklist a rogue who drama-dropped.

[AndyD47]

I thought everybody else was goofing around on an Artificer at this point,solves both the "healer" problem and the rogue problem in one fell swoop right?

[Diyon]

As a healer, I do not waste SP on stupid damage or death. If they want to do that to themselves, I can't stop them. DDO has not implemented GRAB/TACKLE fellow players.

This here. I wish more healy types did this. Sometimes I run off and take unnecessary damage from a trap or monsters or something, because I feel like it. When I do this, not only do I expect the healer to do nothing about it, but I don't want them to use the resources either way. When I rush through traps that are going to get disabled, or run off and do something stupid/silly, I intend to fix any and all damage that results from it. The most I might ask for is a raise in the really bad cases but cover healing and buffs myself.

[donfilibuster]

Oh i tought rogues were about dps :P

Maybe the lack of rogues is from all those times non-rogues roll on von googles and vod googles.

[ericrd]

Dear "random server" .

Every time a post starts off like this you can quickly tell where at least half the problem came from

[MsEricka]

I said please read my bio which stated if I stop you stop if I run try to keep up.

You expect people to read your bio for instructions on how you play? Get over yourself.

This again did not sit well with said member as again he proceeded to cuss me out further

Can you blame them? I can't.

to where I said, "FINE call me that and you can get the traps on your own I am out." I then recalled out and left group.

So you rage quit a group because you expected people to magically know how you play? Did you bother to use voice to say "trap"? Or did you again just expect people to magically know what you're doing?

Sure if someone was actually cussing you out, then squelch them, or report them. But you bailed on a group that was counting on you as a party member. You seem to think this group did you a disservice, yet if you read what you said, it was you that hurt the group (other than the cussing).

[jwdaniels]

How does this in any way explain why it would be hard for a group to get a healer?

[Zeruell]

How does this in any way explain why it would be hard for a group to get a healer?

Presumably because they all have their hands full resurrecting groups that don't know how to handle traps properly (regardless of method)?

I dunno, it's a stretch.