Hong Kong Pewy - AA monk

[Thrudh]

Build notes for myself

Triple TR 12/6/2 half-elf monk/ranger/fighter AA/Ninja Spy

36-point build

Past Lives:

• Ranger - +2 to ranged damage, +2 exceptional resist to all elements
• Paladin - 5% healing amp
• Monk - +1 damage

Stats:

• STR 14
• DEX 16
• CON 14
• INT 10
• WIS 16
• CHA 8

+3 Dex tome required for Improved Precise Shot

Level ups into WIS (for Stunning Fist and Ten Thousand Stars)

Feats (Granted):

• Bow Strength
• TWF
• ITWF
• Rapid Shot
• Many Shot

Feats(Taken):

• 1 - Ranger - Weapon Focus: Ranged
• 2 - Monk - Toughness
• 3 - Monk - Stunning Fist , Past-Life Paladin
• 4 - Ranger
• 5 - Ranger
• 6 - Ranger - Zen Archery
• 7 - Ranger
• 8 - Ranger
• 9 - Fighter - Mental Toughness, Point Blank Shot
• 10 - Monk
• 11 - Fighter - Improved Critical: Ranged
• 12 - Monk - GTWF
• 13 - Monk
• 14 - Monk - Dodge
• 15 - Monk - Extend
• 16 - Monk
• 17 - Monk
• 18 - Monk - Improved Precise Shot
• 19 - Monk
• 20 - Monk
• 21 - Epic - Improved Critical: Bludgeoning (or Great Wisdom)
• 24 - Epic - Vorpal Strikes (or Great Wisdom)

• Arcane Archer with all the important ranged feats
• Zen Archery to remain centered when using bows
• Ten Thousand Stars for more ranged goodness
• 12 levels of monk with Abundant Step, Earth Stance III, strong Stunning Fist
• Paladin Past Life for +3 to hit/damage (works when ranging too)
• Decent sneak attack damage
• Improved Evasion
• Decent-to-High AC with the right equipment.
• Strong at sneaking

Slayer arrows with manyshot, Ten Thousand Stars, switching to handwraps and Stunning Fist the rest of the time...

Probably 70/30 ranged/melee...

Skills (assuming +2 INT tome at 7th level)

• 1 - Ranger - 4x Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Concentration, Jump, Swim
• 2 - Monk - 2x Balance, 1x Concentration, Tumble
• 3 - Monk - 2x Balance, 1x Concentration, Jump
• 4 - Ranger - 2x Hide, Move Silently, Spot
• 5 - Ranger - 2x Hide, Move Silently, Spot
• 6 - Ranger - 1x Hide, Move Silently, Spot, 3x Concentration
• 7 - Ranger - 1x Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Concentration, Jump, Swim
• 8 - Ranger - 1x Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Concentration, Jump, 2x Swim
• 9 - Fighter - 3x Jump
• 10 - Monk - 1x Hide, Move Silently, Spot, 2x Concentration
• 11 - Fighter - 3x Swim
• 12 - Monk - 1x Hide, Move Silently, Spot, 2x Concentration
• 13 - Monk - 1x Concentration, 4x Balance
• 14 - Monk - 1x Concentration, 4x Balance
• 15 - Monk - 1x Concentration, 4x Balance
• 16 - Monk - 1x Concentration, 3x Balance, 1x Jump
• 17 - Monk - 1x Concentration, Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Balance
• 18 - Monk - 1x Concentration, Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Balance
• 19 - Monk - 1x Concentration, Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Balance
• 20 - Monk - 1x Concentration, Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Balance

Gear at 20:

• Head: Blue Dragon Helm EH - +8 wis, Green slot (+35 hps), Colorless slot(+7 DEX)
• Necklace: Gilvaenor's Necklace - +6 CON, +2 attack bonus. 10% ranged speed
• Trinket: +3 Insight STR, +4 to hit/damage, 15 PRR
• Goggles: Dream Visor EH - +4 to hit/damage, +20 Spot, Colorless slot
• Armor: Spider-spun caparison - +9 armor, +1 Ki, Re-inforced Fists, +6 resistance, +15 concentration, +3 insight WIS, Toughness
• Cloak: Min II 45 hp cloak - Heavy Fort, +5 Protection
• Bracers: 30% Healing Amp of Superior Parrying (+4 AC/saves)
• Boots: Spiked Boots EH - +20 Balance, Immunity to Slippery Surfaces, Yellow slot (30% Striding), Colorless slot (+2 Insight DEX)
• Belt: Epic Spare Hand - +5 Tactics, UMD +3, Doublestrike 3%, Blue slot (PRR +14), Colorless slot (+7 CON)
• Ring 1: Epic Ring of the Stalker, +3 exc Sneak, +6 seeker, Manslayer, Ghostly, Yellow slot (Deathblock), Colorless slot (+1 exc WIS)
• Ring 2: Gilvaenor - +6 Dex, +1 exc Dex, Holy burst
• Gauntlets: PDK Gloves, +7 STR, +2 Insight CON, 30% healing amp

+8 WIS, +3 insight WIS, +1 exceptional WIS
+7 STR, +3 insight STR
+7 CON, +2 insight CON
+7 DEX, +2 insight DEX, +1 exceptional DEX
30% and 20% healing amp
Heavy Fort
Protection +5
Resistance +6
+35 hps
+6 seeker
Toughness
+15 Concentration
+20 Balance
45 GS hps
Superior Parrying
+3 exceptional sneak attack
Ghostly

Missing +5 sneak attack, exceptional seeker, no dodge items.

[somenewnoob]

lol....+1 for the build name alone

Genius!

[Thrudh]

Heh...

Sad thing is, he used to be kind of unique...

Now I think I'm going to see a lot of guys rolling this split up...

He is pretty solid now (as long as you know when to switch to melee)... I'm looking forward to the Ten Thousand Stars change... Might let me stay ranged more often.

[slimkj]

Hey, I never came back and repped/replied so rectifying it now. Whilst I didn't copy feat for feat this build, I did use it as a sense & sanity check against my own idle dreamings and for that; thank you!

[sebastianosmith]

Heh...

Sad thing is, he used to be kind of unique...

Now I think I'm going to see a lot of guys rolling this split up...

To wit, dear Thrudh, I ply this question to you; Would you be so kind as to critique my variant of your build?

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The Arrow of Earth And Sea
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 306
Spell Points: 280 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 17
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    18
Dexterity            16                    19
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 12

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Void Strike I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 8 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 11 (Monk)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rain


Level 14 (Monk)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Monk)
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 17 (Monk)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Master of the Sea
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows

Many thanks in advance for anything you are willing to share, and for the inspiration.

EDIT:
Honestly, I don't know if QD or IC:B would be better. IC:B implies he may land crits in epic content, which is a hopeful statement. QD makes the suggestion that, not only won't he crit, he will make out better if he can switch weapons faster for nominal effect damage. I took the conservative path.

Oh, about the whole "No ToD" thing before much can come of it - He's not going to tank. He's going to beat trash and pew-pew at the bosses with a remarkable rate of fire. Taking the ToD line seemed counter to that goal. Freeing up those AP allowed for HV4 and all stances to a minimum of Adept. I like having at least Adept for every stance as my keys are set up so running through finishers can be accomplished with alacrity. So, "No ToD" is more of a concession to my sense of flavor and current skill level.

Thank you again.

[Munkenmo]

Heh...

Sad thing is, he used to be kind of unique...

Now I think I'm going to see a lot of guys rolling this split up...

He is pretty solid now (as long as you know when to switch to melee)... I'm looking forward to the Ten Thousand Stars change... Might let me stay ranged more often.

I would have thought this build was going to become more popular with the release of the bow of sinew and *5 crits.

Personally I'm staying quiet as to how much fun the burst dps is on live though, I kinda like how rare my AA monk is on Sarlona

[wax_on_wax_off]

...Snip...

Nice build, I've had quite similar conclusions and hope to try this particular split soon.

I think PL:Paladin is a bit of a tricky feat as it has such great synergy with extend spell (which also has a lot of utility with rams might). This doubles the duration of the +3/+3 clicky from 3 minutes to 6 minutes.

However, pretty much the only feat that you can give up for extend is GTWF which might be plausible now that U12 has hit and you can use 10k stars to melee less and not feel bad.

[MattiG]

sickstwo is currently at 9 monk 5 ranger with pali and barb PL's. With a current WIS buffed around 30, I'm already regretting the 9th monk level and massive AP requirement for ToD. Main reasons for this build were rams + pali pl + fe + "something to add to serviceable melee." I, thought that was going to be ToD, but I think I'd much prefer human versatiliy. That being the case, I'm still conflicted on split. Lots of goodies at ranger level 11, but not ?sure the extra
FE is worth it. had you given any thought to 11/9?

[wax_on_wax_off]

sickstwo is currently at 9 monk 5 ranger with pali and barb PL's. With a current WIS buffed around 30, I'm already regretting the 9th monk level and massive AP requirement for ToD. Main reasons for this build were rams + pali pl + fe + "something to add to serviceable melee." I, thought that was going to be ToD, but I think I'd much prefer human versatiliy. That being the case, I'm still conflicted on split. Lots of goodies at ranger level 11, but not ?sure the extra
FE is worth it. had you given any thought to 11/9?

I'd definitely still go to monk 12. ToD isn't that important as the Ki is better spent elsewhere and the APs are too tight. The real sweet thing is tier 3 earth and water stance and +2d6 sneak attack damage from NSII. My plan is to just take the electric vulnerability move (maybe the fire one too) for use against bosses.

[maddmatt70]

I'd definitely still go to monk 12. ToD isn't that important as the Ki is better spent elsewhere and the APs are too tight. The real sweet thing is tier 3 earth and water stance and +2d6 sneak attack damage from NSII. My plan is to just take the electric vulnerability move (maybe the fire one too) for use against bosses.

I would argue just the opposite TOD is very important. I just trrd my 11 ranger 9 monk character (who I played alot the last 4-5 months) and can attest that TOD is awesome for burst dps purposes. Now how TOD works with 1000 stars in regards to ki is another question, but if it all possible for ki purposes TOD, manyshot, and 1000 stars would be an awesome combination..

[slimkj]

My plan is to just take the electric vulnerability move

It is surprisingly, incredibly satisfying hitting that and swapping in the Lit II, I find, especially when there's an FVS condemnation proc thing making holy dmg purple too.

[Thrudh]

Nice build, I've had quite similar conclusions and hope to try this particular split soon.

I think PL:Paladin is a bit of a tricky feat as it has such great synergy with extend spell (which also has a lot of utility with rams might). This doubles the duration of the +3/+3 clicky from 3 minutes to 6 minutes.

However, pretty much the only feat that you can give up for extend is GTWF which might be plausible now that U12 has hit and you can use 10k stars to melee less and not feel bad.

Yeah, I do wish I could fit Extend in there somewhere.

[PestWulf]

Ok, this thread name had me laughing instantly! I LOVE IT!!!! Instantly brought up the masked dog image. hahahahaahaha!

Oh, I like the build too But the name is soo much better!

EDIT: Acutally, I like looking at ideas like this and tweaking them to fit me...but I really don't see anything I would tweak on this except the stats, since I don't have a +3 tome. Rare that I find something I don't want to tweak.

EDIT 2: Question...do you see yourself staying in Earth stance almost all the time for this? with the damage absorb boost, the AC boosts and the offensive boosts that Earth stance 3 gives..I'm having a hard time seeing why you would really want to switch, beyond a short stint in water to gain a few Ki before an attack if necessary. Just curious how it plays out stance wise.

[Thrudh]

Ok, this thread name had me laughing instantly! I LOVE IT!!!! Instantly brought up the masked dog image. hahahahaahaha!

Oh, I like the build too But the name is soo much better!

EDIT: Acutally, I like looking at ideas like this and tweaking them to fit me...but I really don't see anything I would tweak on this except the stats, since I don't have a +3 tome. Rare that I find something I don't want to tweak.

EDIT 2: Question...do you see yourself staying in Earth stance almost all the time for this? with the damage absorb boost, the AC boosts and the offensive boosts that Earth stance 3 gives..I'm having a hard time seeing why you would really want to switch, beyond a short stint in water to gain a few Ki before an attack if necessary. Just curious how it plays out stance wise.

I do stay in earth stance most of the time... except when low on Ki...

I'm still working on balancing ranged vs melee... It's makes for very engaging gameplay. I'm constantly trying to figure out if I should switch to melee or use ranged - depends on # of targets I can hit with IPS, how much Ki I have, what my timers are at, etc.

It's not a "eat a sandwich and use autoattack" kind of build that's for sure

[MoreIdiotThanSavant]

I've been away from the game for a while now and might not be quite up to speed but...

Anyone tried to fit the new Improved Sunder into one of these builds? I have no past life on my version of this concept and took Power Attack instead, and am seriously considering trading Imp. Crit: Ranged for Improved Sunder... If you get 2 attempts with it on TWF (as you should) that's an instant -6 fort save debuff. Sounds very tasty for Stun and ToD, and could potentially also bring your monk finishes and curses up to pretty usable effective DC's...

[PestWulf]

Been going over this again and had a question on your choice of feat placement.

I know that an extra 10% crit range is very valuable and it has to be played off the multi-mob capability of Improved Precise shot.

You could get Improved precise shot as early as level 12 in your build if you pushed the Fighter: Improved Crit: Ranged down to lvl 12 and swapped it for Imp. Precise shot. Your bab would still be at 11 by lvl 12 and with your tome use you'd have the required Dex and pre-req feats.

My question is which is more valuable for leveling purposes, the IC: Ranged for 10% more crits, or the Imp. Precise shot for more capability at hitting groups of mobs at ranged?

I guess I'm looking at this from a more solo standpoint and to me I'm favoring the earlier use of the Imp. Precise than the crit. Is there anything flawed or something I'm missing about re-arranging the order on taking the levels?

I'm currently planning on TR'ing my Fighter into your build I believe.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Been going over this again and had a question on your choice of feat placement.

I know that an extra 10% crit range is very valuable and it has to be played off the multi-mob capability of Improved Precise shot.

You could get Improved precise shot as early as level 12 in your build if you pushed the Fighter: Improved Crit: Ranged down to lvl 12 and swapped it for Imp. Precise shot. Your bab would still be at 11 by lvl 12 and with your tome use you'd have the required Dex and pre-req feats.

My question is which is more valuable for leveling purposes, the IC: Ranged for 10% more crits, or the Imp. Precise shot for more capability at hitting groups of mobs at ranged?

I guess I'm looking at this from a more solo standpoint and to me I'm favoring the earlier use of the Imp. Precise than the crit. Is there anything flawed or something I'm missing about re-arranging the order on taking the levels?

I'm currently planning on TR'ing my Fighter into your build I believe.

It's more a choice between 10,000 stars, Ninja-Spy I and tier 2 stances at level 12 or Improved Precise Shot. I think I'd take the former and pretty much leave the fighter levels until much later to get other goodies sooner. I can wait another level or 3 for IPS.

[PestWulf]

It's more a choice between 10,000 stars, Ninja-Spy I and tier 2 stances at level 12 or Improved Precise Shot. I think I'd take the former and pretty much leave the fighter levels until much later to get other goodies sooner. I can wait another level or 3 for IPS.

I may be dense and just not seeing at the moment. Let me list out what I'm thinking as I don't see it changing the order of anything except Improved Crit: Ranged and Imp. Precise shot.

Here is what I was considering re-ordering in Thurdh's build.
1 - Ranger - Weapon Focus: Ranged
2 - Monk - Toughness
3 - Monk - Stunning Fist , Past-Life Paladin
4 - Ranger
5 - Ranger
6 - Ranger - Zen Archery
7 - Ranger
8 - Ranger
9 - Fighter - Mental Toughness, Point Blank Shot
10 - Monk
11 - Monk -
12 - Fighter - GTWF, Improved Precise Shot
13 - Monk
14 - Monk - Dodge
15 - Monk - Precise Shot
16 - Monk
17 - Monk
18 - Monk - Improved Crit: Ranged
19 - Monk
20 - Monk

So instead of a fighter level at 11, it becomes a Monk level, keeping the same split and AP point expenditures, the level 12 Monk becomes a Fighter level instead which by delaying it one level gets you the necessary +11 BAB (and he'll eat a dex tome to get a 19 Dex) to allow Imp. Precise Shot.

So instead of being a level 4 monk at level 12, he's a level 4 monk at level 11. The 10k stars and monk 2 stances/prestige comes in at lvl 6 monk, which in both build progressions won't happen until Level 14

Now that I've laid it out though, I can easily see that Precise Shot is out of order. So there would have to be another delay to get Imp. P. Shot at 12. What if GTWF were delayed from 12 to 15?

I actually feel ok about delaying GTWF. I've made a lot of twf chars that didn't get their GTWF until much later in the build and it worked out pretty well. Considering I'd like my balance between melee/ranged to be skewed more towards ranged.....I'm still not sure if Improved Precise shot is a better ranged assistant than Improved Crit: ranged.

My current thought is that if I will be switching to melee after the pack of mobs catches me then changing to melee and having a bunch of damaged mobs is better than having one mob more heavily damaged (considering Precise Shot isn't there either until 15, it means my damage still might be sprayed if a mob walks in front of my target).

So I guess what I am proposing is gaining the ability to target caster mobs in the back and hitting multi-mobs at the cost of delaying GTWF and a 10% boost to crit chance.

Besides the Precise Shot mistake I made, are there any others? And any thoughts on the which ability I should put more weight to..the 10% crit or the multi-mob?

Again...thanks for the build and thanks for the discourse, I'm pretty excited about this one. Can't wait to finish out my fighter (I had almost shelved him to start playing a sorc...I always get distracted..this has given me renewed vigor to finish him out, heh)

[MoreIdiotThanSavant]

Since Paralyzing weapons work almost flawlessly at levels 10 to maybe 15, having IPS and a paralyzing longbow can be a real gem these levels. Targeting the one in the back and with some tactical movement you can keep entire rooms CC'd by yourself. I'd value that more than Impr. Crit, but I don't know if the extra DPS from crits is the stronger choice now with 10k Stars to increase pew-pew time.

[Samiusbot]

I have been leveling my bowonk and they look super similar. I few things I did differently:

If you can use the Barb past life for toughness. (it is huge) And lets you take Power Attack at 2 with the monk level.
I was able to use Sorc past life for mental toughness. Less huge then the Barb past life for toughness, but you gain a sometimes helpful clicky.

And if you watch your class/feat order you can have AA at 8 vs 9 and ninja spy at 13 vs 14.
ranger monk ranger(until 6 ranger) fighter monk (until 6 monk) fighter monk to cap.