Pugs and Sarlona

[Emag]

I have came to a quick, and concise conclusion regarding the epic/raid scene of Sarlona: It blows.


People with sub-par skills, gear, knowledge and builds. So people of Sarlona, I beg of you, take the time to research gear, builds and make the ddowiki your home page.

If you don't know, ask.

Join a raiding channel, send the PMs to appropriate people. Do what it takes, because in all honesty, vets are dropping like flies, and the newer players replacing them aren't performing.

-Kuff

[Dragonhyde]

pfffttttt what you trying to say

[LordPiglet]

I blame those soulless gimps

[Ilindith]

I blame those soulless gimps

It's all my fault

[Dexxaan]

I blame those soulless gimps

/Agree.


Ever since they raised the bar so high..... the rest of us are now guilty of falling behind. *sniff sniff


I for one have changed my game-approach: I will create the ULTIMATE KORTHOS DOMINATOR build and never take Level 4!



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[Sithias]

Kinda like having 300hp and no fortification or wearing the Korthos melee set in EV6?....Wish I would have fraps'd that comical travesty.....

[elricken]

Kinda like having 300hp and no fortification or wearing the Korthos melee set in EV6?....Wish I would have fraps'd that comical travesty.....

Anger's wrath is pretty uber you know, who can say no to +2 to hit?

[Gempoult]

PUGs on Sarlona are not dying, they are dead, since u12, maybe even before that. Failure rate in PUGs for things like ToD even is well above 50%, successful filling rate of pure PUGs (unknown leader + 2-3 of his friends) is probably like 2% and only if they are reeeeaaaally patient to wait 4 hours And don't advise people to join raiding channels, that is the biggest problem actually, the few remaining people on the server that can complete a raid are so capsulated in their guilds/channels they wouldn't take even experienced players unless they are in their channel and/or guild (best in both), occasionally they might take a healer, but only if it takes more than 30 minutes to find one in channel/guild, after my.ddo check and at least 5 vouches from the other members of the party. So yeah situation is horrible, but channels are not the answer, they are the problem

[ulticleo]

PUGs on Sarlona are not dying, they are dead, since u12, maybe even before that. Failure rate in PUGs for things like ToD even is well above 50%, successful filling rate of pure PUGs (unknown leader + 2-3 of his friends) is probably like 2% and only if they are reeeeaaaally patient to wait 4 hours And don't advise people to join raiding channels, that is the biggest problem actually, the few remaining people on the server that can complete a raid are so capsulated in their guilds/channels they wouldn't take even experienced players unless they are in their channel and/or guild (best in both), occasionally they might take a healer, but only if it takes more than 30 minutes to find one in channel/guild, after my.ddo check and at least 5 vouches from the other members of the party. So yeah situation is horrible, but channels are not the answer, they are the problem

I'm with this guy.

[elricken]

And don't advise people to join raiding channels, that is the biggest problem actually, the few remaining people on the server that can complete a raid are so capsulated in their guilds/channels they wouldn't take even experienced players unless they are in their channel and/or guild (best in both), occasionally they might take a healer, but only if it takes more than 30 minutes to find one in channel/guild, after my.ddo check and at least 5 vouches from the other members of the party. So yeah situation is horrible, but channels are not the answer, they are the problem

********.

I run and am a member of several raiding channels, and I accept the pretty much whomever hits my lfm. I've also gone out on a limb over and over again offering to teach new players. I'm absolutely desperate to find more people who are interested in raids and epics, the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people I encounter on Sarlona simply are not interested improving their toons/playstyle and running higher end content. No matter how many times it bites me I'll always accept people I don't know, with how inactive our server is lately I couldn't be picky if I wanted to.

I also feel that your post is somewhat hilarious considering you were one of the first to PM me asking for my channel details.

[Gempoult]

********.

I run and am a member of several raiding channels, and I accept the pretty much whomever hits my lfm. I've also gone out on a limb over and over again offering to teach new players. I'm absolutely desperate to find more people who are interested in raids and epics, the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people I encounter on Sarlona simply are not interested improving their toons/playstyle and running higher end content. No matter how many times it bites me I'll always accept people I don't know, with how inactive our server is lately I couldn't be picky if I wanted to.

I also feel that your post is somewhat hilarious considering you were one of the first to PM me asking for my channel details.

You are some nice exception then, too bad I can't catch you online to raid with you, anyway the fact that I am in a channel doesn't change my opinion about it or them in general and here its about PUGs really and they are dead on Sarlona, even chinese don't play so much recently, or at least they don't pug. And also piglet... So we had a public MA last week? Really? Wow! So 1 public MA in almost 2 months since those are out, and not even LoB, its MA that can be pretty much completed by 3 people on normal without using pots and this is suppose to show that PUGs on Sarlona are not dead? Cause it kinda shows the opposite to me...

[Kages]

You are some nice exception then, too bad I can't catch you online to raid with you, anyway the fact that I am in a channel doesn't change my opinion about it or them in general and here its about PUGs really and they are dead on Sarlona, even chinese don't play so much recently, or at least they don't pug. And also piglet... So we had a public MA last week? Really? Wow! So 1 public MA in almost 2 months since those are out, and not even LoB, its MA that can be pretty much completed by 3 people on normal without using pots and this is suppose to show that PUGs on Sarlona are not dead? Cause it kinda shows the opposite to me...

Breath...

Breath...

Breath...

And spent...

Congratulations your are the mother of a bouncing baby boy.

j/p. Anyways, I do what I can to not pug as much as possible. I haven't done a full pug run in quite some time actually so my experiences lately haven't been all that bad. I'll run a few later today when I get home from work and see how things are doing from my perspective.

[LordPiglet]

You are some nice exception then, too bad I can't catch you online to raid with you, anyway the fact that I am in a channel doesn't change my opinion about it or them in general and here its about PUGs really and they are dead on Sarlona, even chinese don't play so much recently, or at least they don't pug. And also piglet... So we had a public MA last week? Really? Wow! So 1 public MA in almost 2 months since those are out, and not even LoB, its MA that can be pretty much completed by 3 people on normal without using pots and this is suppose to show that PUGs on Sarlona are not dead? Cause it kinda shows the opposite to me...

That's funny, as I pugged my first 2 MA completions, the first week of U11. I've ran it with channel once, and am pretty sure I was the only one with a completion on that run. I actually do need MA, but honestly, I never see them up in the LFM or even in channel. Correction, there was a channel run earlier this week, I was on my TR, there was also at least 1 MA up.

It's not that MA isn't available to the public, it's just not being run. Frankly, I don't think LoB is being run all that much either by the general public. I know some people are running it, I saw it ran multiple times, open to puggers the last 2 weekends.

[Tobril]

I'm a helper. (or at least am going to try)


http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...=1#post4157278

[mudfud]

My 220hp rogue does just fine in shroud, hox, vod, lob, ma, reaver, abbot, dq, von6 on normal, hard and elite and epic for those that can be.
Have some sense of tactics and what your character can do and you're just fine. My next challenge is to get even less HP and continue raiding just fine like I've been.

[Chai]

One thing Sarlona is still plagued with is alot of leaders cant get their heads out of the old school. Casters being declined due to a normal Shroud already having 2 in the group, on top of the "only a bard can charm the dogs" mentality in hound. What are the odds that these are the same people who look people up on MyDDO and dont see an epic claw set, then deny non epiced melee from quests like snitch and BoB?

[zorander6]

I don't raid, I don't have a level 20 and I've been playing 2+ years. Why? I'm married. I'm lucky to get an hour or two a week to spend trying to farm a raid for the items in the raid so I can farm a raid. My wife plays occasionally, but not often. I'd love to have greensteel and all the pretty weapons and armor but I've accepted it won't be possible. Then add in the "you must have raid item xyz in order to run my raids" and I just don't bother. I'd love to join tobril's raid on Thursday but I know that won't happen since any time I plan something DDO related something else comes up.

Then comes the "you've played 2 years and haven't TR'ed 10 times and gotten all the pretty raid items?" No sadly I haven't. I'd like to, and before I was married I'm sure that I'd have done so but right now it's out.

[Vanquishedfo]

Now I am not from sarlona, just saw this thread on current topics and thought id offer my 2 coppers.

From my view its really not about a lack of GOOD players as some leetist seem to imply, its actually a lack of good content in that the current raids and epics all largely fail to be fun and enjoyable. You either have to zerg through them to get them done in a timely manner which requires at least a leader and maybe more having a fair bit of prior experiance, or you spend gawd awefully long amounts of time that often lead to a failure that does anything but encourage players to come back when it just waisted thier limited amount of game time. Some think taht is Challenging design but its not, its lazy and outright bad design f your trying to encourage people who value RL to still want to enjoy your game as a casual hobby.

A good example of the differnece would be between city of heroes and thier typical Task Force, and DDO and its typical raid. COH you on a AVERAGE team can complete a typical task force in between 45-90 minutes, with plenty of moments of tense battle, and potentially a near wipe or two. Should someone have to log out during it due to RL issues they still will have thier experiance for kills and mission completions leading up to that point in the task force. Should someone choose to quit for any reasin they cant rejoin and have effectively been perma killed in the eyes of the TF until its over and the group can again recruit new members. Your never punished for having a RL and needing to log, but if you chose to quit then you are quitting completely from that current TF. Logging back in you will still be on the team as that place will remain effectively reserved for you and cant be filled by a new member being recruited.

In DDO on the other hand if you have to log your screwed but if you stay in and pike its no big deal this is becuase DDO failed by making raids a single overly long mission typically and gives leaders no chance to remove disruptive or useless party members in a way that wouldnt be able to be abused to deny actually contrbuting players to earn at least a share fairly earned even if kicked out after the first part.

I know i am rambling on at this point its a hugely complex issue but one that clearly exist because if DDO raids where more player friendly they would be played more simple as that

[Chai]

You are some nice exception then, too bad I can't catch you online to raid with you, anyway the fact that I am in a channel doesn't change my opinion about it or them in general and here its about PUGs really and they are dead on Sarlona, even chinese don't play so much recently, or at least they don't pug. And also piglet... So we had a public MA last week? Really? Wow! So 1 public MA in almost 2 months since those are out, and not even LoB, its MA that can be pretty much completed by 3 people on normal without using pots and this is suppose to show that PUGs on Sarlona are not dead? Cause it kinda shows the opposite to me...

Ive got 7 completions of MA and 5 LOB. All LFM PUGs, not even channel or guild.

Obviously they arent as common as Shrouds or TODs, but they do pop up enough where I have been able to get in on more than a few.

[LordPiglet]

PUGs on Sarlona are not dying, they are dead, since u12, maybe even before that. Failure rate in PUGs for things like ToD even is well above 50%, successful filling rate of pure PUGs (unknown leader + 2-3 of his friends) is probably like 2% and only if they are reeeeaaaally patient to wait 4 hours And don't advise people to join raiding channels, that is the biggest problem actually, the few remaining people on the server that can complete a raid are so capsulated in their guilds/channels they wouldn't take even experienced players unless they are in their channel and/or guild (best in both), occasionally they might take a healer, but only if it takes more than 30 minutes to find one in channel/guild, after my.ddo check and at least 5 vouches from the other members of the party. So yeah situation is horrible, but channels are not the answer, they are the problem

I gotta call ******** on this too.

I run channel, guild and I pug. Infact, I am in channel because I pugged alot and had fun and made friends with members of the channels I'm in. I have 5 active toons, I miss a ton of stuff because I'm leveling someone else, or hit another raid, etc etc. I know the channels I'm in will pug out spots if we don't fill in channels. In guild, certain raids we shortman, some stuff we pug.

I still pug, I can only think of one raid that I really generally won't pug (but it's easier to just run it in guild). Several of the raids I just don't want to run or only run when I happen to feel like it.

I also try to teach the raids I know when I get into a party that doesn't know them.

That said, there are also certain LFM's I won't join. If certain peoples lfm's are taking a long time to fill, maybe it's the contents of their lfm's.