TR time again

[Guenalicious]

To all my Sarlona friends, it's that time again to TR. My next build is going to be a Pally and I was looking for some suggestions. All help is welcome, thanks ;-)

[Ilindith]

Roll my build, been doing pretty good up to the point I'm at.

[Tobril]

A few questions…

What toys do you have from previous lives?
Are you picking up a past life or staying paladin?
Will this be played much or will a second account be used for the heavy lifting?

[HGM-Chi]

An 18/2 Paladin Monk AC build (Defender) seems pretty cool, especially with the changes to the defender line. I'd ask Clue about his build.

[Ilindith]

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Female
(18 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 438
Spell Points: 290 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 32
Reflex: 25
Will: 22

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 23                   23
Dexterity            15                 17                   17
Constitution         16                 18                   20
Intelligence         12                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             12                 14                   16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               6                 13                   13
Bluff                 1                  3                    3
Concentration         7                 28                   31
Diplomacy             1                  3                    3
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                  3                    3
Heal                 -1                  0                    0
Hide                  2                  3                    3
Intimidate            3                 26                   32
Jump                  6                  9                    9
Listen               -1                  0                    0
Move Silently         2                  3                    3
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                1                  2                    2
Spot                 -1                  0                    0
Swim                  3                  6                    6
Tumble                3                  4                    4
Use Magic Device      3                 14                   14

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good IV
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III

[Guenalicious]

A few questions…

What toys do you have from previous lives?
Are you picking up a past life or staying paladin?
Will this be played much or will a second account be used for the heavy lifting?

Khopesh user with lots of toys from past lives, to be honest this will be my last melee life for my completionist. I will not be staying a paladin, nor will I be using a second account to level. I'm looking for a solo paladin build and don't mind to mix and match classes. Let me know if you have any other questions ;-) and thanks everyone for your input.

[Belduroz]

I'd also suggest 18/2 with either rogue (for umd and some trapskills) or monk - personally i prefer monk since you get 2 free feats and stances while centered, won't be able to keep trapskills maxed out and already have some healing spells as a paladin. If you feel too feat starved, you also have the option to bring in up to 6 ftr (i'd suggest 2 levels of fighter early then for the feats then) - but 18/2 with monk should have all you need.

Which race are you going to pick? As a human or half-elf, maybe with cleric dilletante for better selfhealing, the hunter of the dead PrE makes leveling really comfortable due to a lot of healing amp and immunity against energy drain on PrE II. As a wf defender of siberys is the way to go IMO.

[Ilindith]

I like being a paladin cause I can say that I'm touching myself when I use lay on hands.

[LordPiglet]

Many people LoH around Guen.

[Ilindith]

Many people LoH around Guen.

Well played sir.

[Tobril]

Some of this may be pretty “duh” but here is my take…


I would do the 2-3 monk splash for sure.

Defender is slow, and KoTC will only be good for a little bit. Don’t do
either of these.

HoTD will make a lot of places easier, ghost touch and neg level immunity
is nice.

2-hander or wraps as needed until your GS khopeshes come online. You
should then have GTWF and be able to leverage them and that style.

2 monk for feats+evasion is a gimmie, the 3rd monk level is speed. You are
not keeping the build once capped so having a mutt build won’t matter.
Running faster is like having another voice/mantle, faster xp is good times.


I would probably get the monk levels first and then two paladin levels. Once
those are done you can go a few different ways.

2-3 monk, 6 ranger for TWF feats ‘n bows, rest paladin
2-3 monk, rest paladin, play a bit like a battle-cleric
1 thief, ? monk, 2 pal, intersperse thief and pal levels, do this only if you want trap handling
Something else completely crazy you think will level well


Hope this helps.

[Ilindith]

Defender is slow

Only 10% on any stance now, has not bothered me at all since I have it. Stats and HP bonuses totally make up for it and being a WF I don't need any of the immunities from HoTD

[sebastianosmith]

The Divine Phoenix build appears to getting some positive feedback. Self-healing, decent sustained DPS, exceptional burst DPS, sufficient UMD, OL and DD skills. Just a thought.

[Tobril]

Only 10% on any stance now, has not bothered me at all since I have it. Stats and HP bonuses totally make up for it and being a WF I don't need any of the immunities from HoTD

10% is slow. I would cut myself while crawling to quests because I would have too much time to think about the horrible path I took in life.

WF would be an OK way to go.

[Ilindith]

10% is slow. I would cut myself while crawling to quests because I would have too much time to think about the horrible path I took in life.

WF would be an OK way to go.

Spam the haste pots!

[Tobril]

Spam the haste pots!

No can do…I blew all my money on booze and barmaids.

[Guenalicious]

The Divine Phoenix build appears to getting some positive feedback. Self-healing, decent sustained DPS, exceptional burst DPS, sufficient UMD, OL and DD skills. Just a thought.

I like the way this build sounds, but I wasn't planning on eating any tomes since I'm just going to tr as soon as it's capped again. Are the tomes required to get some of the feats, or is this just a suggestion??

[Guenalicious]

Many people LoH around Guen.

I finally get to use my own LOH now ;-)) woot!! lol

[Guenalicious]

10% is slow. I would cut myself while crawling to quests because I would have too much time to think about the horrible path I took in life.

WF would be an OK way to go.

Cant do WF...my cute outfits wont fit ;-)

[sebastianosmith]

I like the way this build sounds, but I wasn't planning on eating any tomes since I'm just going to tr as soon as it's capped again. Are the tomes required to get some of the feats, or is this just a suggestion??

I'm no expert on the build by any means but I would say that at least a +2 Dex tome would be helpful for finishing out the TWF line, or given your monk PL you could simply swap two Str level-ups for Dex and still get decent DPS. You'll definitely require an 18 Cha to qualify for DMIII, so I think that may be situation for a tome as the points will be very tight otherwise.