fun runs = fail runs?

[Astraghal]

/sarcasm on

You join PUGs?!

You must be a terrible player, in a bad guild, who has no friends in the game.

/sarcasm off

Edit - Yes I agree, little did we know that what we were seeing a few updates ago was nothing short of a PUG golden age.

[wax_on_wax_off]

And stop using Dial-up.

Seriously I have ran with a few people who have constant lag. I'm sure it is an issue on their end. I do not even know how they survive the crappy game play it must be miserable.

One person I will no longer run with because they have casued too many party wipes being the healer that lags out.

I'm using a mobile broadband connection at the moment and playing on Khyber. 95% of the time I have no lag and I've run plenty of raids without issue. However, sometimes it just starts lagging without any apparent cause, like a LoB run last night.

Good news: I'm getting a hardline! (Soon TM)

I think the cause is overload on the cell tower as I notice more lag at prime time for the area (~7-8pm AEST).

I certainly wouldn't play a healer with this connection mind you

[MeliCat]

I'm using a mobile broadband connection at the moment and playing on Khyber. 95% of the time I have no lag and I've run plenty of raids without issue. However, sometimes it just starts lagging without any apparent cause, like a LoB run last night.

Good news: I'm getting a hardline! (Soon TM)

I think the cause is overload on the cell tower as I notice more lag at prime time for the area (~7-8pm AEST).

I certainly wouldn't play a healer with this connection mind you

Can you see RSCP, EcI0 or CID values on your modem? Next time let me know and we'll see if there is anyway to jiggle things.

[Consumer]

Just to give a fuller Picture. I wasn't in the first run, but was asked to join the reform on my gimpy bard. As far as I'm aware, the rest of the party was the same as the first run minus the OP.

We completed without any hassle.

Make of that what you will.

Can make nothing of it, my tanking was solid, I did not lose agro when I had to keep it and kept my DPS high enough in part two to prevent the entire party wiping.

I did not die from low HP, I sit a 775 sustained, combat infusion bumps me up 40, double madstone for another 40 and again another 40 if I need a yugo pot. I was not hit by a disintegrate so my HP didn't jump down. Hate was increased 30% and I kept up continuous autocleave while fighting along with a 65 sustained STR (the completion would have given me the trophies for 68 sustained str), I missed only one death frenzy activation. There were no problems apart from the lack of healing in part 3.

You'd also want to know the player too - that they're on the ball and are not going to let their rages run out.

Rages were back on as soon as possible when they were off. HP was still 655 with them off.

After MyDDOing the OP, I have come to the conclusion that this statement shows some of OP's problems with grouping.

Clearly the lack of epic gear on my toon is an indication of the player I am and not that I spent time TRing instead of raiding. It also clearly shows what I have in my inventory as well as what I'm wearing.

However, I'm not surprised it' a member of Ransack posting this. I did after all leave your guild because it was so inactive and after you asked me upon joining to lead your raids for you because apparently you lack players that could.

I think he was referring to the high end raiding statement.

Yep my guildies are noobs, look at this gimp for example:

http://my.ddo.com/character/khyber/crazydamage

I guess it's lucky we can lead our own raids though.

[Maugrim101]

Maybe the next time you join a PUG where you either don't know the people involved or aren't confidant that they are up to your uber standards lol... you might consider thinking what you can do to make the completion as smooth as possible as opposed to making it more difficult?

All that cleaving and frenzing and death frenzing on Horoth while the group is pounding on sulu and giving you all the time in the world to establish solid aggro by the time they come back is necessary?

Sure if you're in some kind of speed run or trying to set some record go hell for leather. But knowing the other people involved it was a relaxed run like most normal ToDs on the LFM panel.

I wasn't there (Only for the reform), but from what you posted, it just sounds like you joined this group, made no attempt to judge the pace of the raid and adapt to that and when it all went south, came here to say how amazing you are and how terrible they were.

And after all that, they completed the reform run and you're still without a completion. Odd that.

[gloopygloop]

I did not die from low HP, I sit a 775 sustained, combat infusion bumps me up 40, double madstone for another 40 and again another 40 if I need a yugo pot. I was not hit by a disintegrate so my HP didn't jump down. Hate was increased 30% and I kept up continuous autocleave while fighting along with a 65 sustained STR (the completion would have given me the trophies for 68 sustained str), I missed only one death frenzy activation. There were no problems apart from the lack of healing in part 3.

You get double Madstoned in ToD? If you're getting double madstoned, then I see a problem apart from the lack of healing.

Yep my guildies are noobs, look at this gimp for example:

http://my.ddo.com/character/khyber/crazydamage

I guess it's lucky we can lead our own raids though.

I love this thread. I love it so much that I want to have babies with it.

[Zogdor]

Unlike high AC tanks, barb Horo-tanks can be tricky at times. They need to have high enough HP (>650 cos Horo can disintegrate for 600) and healing amp. Being able to generate sufficient threat is a given. Just for good measure, Horo barb-tanks should carry SF pots too. If you don't meet those pre-requisites it is really better off not being the tank.

And yet my TR DoS Paladin still gets told time and time again that he can't tank Horoth because.... he's a Paladin and not a barb with a big stick. I definitely know a lot of barbs that can hold aggro and I have no problem with them tanking, but being told that a DoS Paladin is not suited to the task is just dumb... they have threat, high HP and healing amp!

[Vallin]

And yet my TR DoS Paladin still gets told time and time again that he can't tank Horoth because.... he's a Paladin and not a barb with a big stick. I definitely know a lot of barbs that can hold aggro and I have no problem with them tanking, but being told that a DoS Paladin is not suited to the task is just dumb... they have threat, high HP and healing amp!

DoS Paladins and Stalwart fighters are hands down the best tanks to use in that raid simply because it is an easy button for the healers. Throwing a barbarian in there is just creating more work for the healers than is necessary.

Even most PUGs have this figured out, at least in all the ToDs that I run.

Vallin.

[Astraghal]

You get double Madstoned in ToD? If you're getting double madstoned, then I see a problem apart from the lack of healing.





I love this thread. I love it so much that I want to have babies with it.

I get double Madstoned in ToD too when I can, I just swap out the Boots of Anchoring for a Pale Lavender Ioun stone. You can start the fight single Madstoned and then once Suulomades is down and aggro isn't an issue, you can get Haste/Madstone while covered by the Ioun Stone.

[Eladiun]

I get double Madstoned in ToD too when I can, I just swap out the Boots of Anchoring for a Pale Lavender Ioun stone. You can start the fight single Madstoned and then once Suulomades is down and aggro isn't an issue, you can get Haste/Madstone while covered by the Ioun Stone.

I hate to agree with Astra as it makes me cut myself but I'm often double madstoned in ToD Part 3. You can pull Sally out of range and Banish is on a 60 second timer you just have to be aware and you can rock your madstones.

[Eladiun]

Yep my guildies are noobs, look at this gimp for example:

http://my.ddo.com/character/khyber/crazydamage

I guess it's lucky we can lead our own raids though.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

You joined the group that you thought was going to fill the fastest.

You remembered one player in the group as not being up to your standards.

You MYDDOed everyone in the party.

Decided none of them were up to your standards.

Chose to stay with them anyway.

Various players playing key roles died.

You died, and it was the healers fault.

You felt the need to tell the group that you would not be playing with them again.

You came here to tell us about it.

Chose the title "Fun runs = fail runs?"

Hmmm....




I think you are right. You shouldn't group with those people again.

[somenewnoob]

You joined the group that you thought was going to fill the fastest.

You remembered one player in the group as not being up to your standards.

You MYDDOed everyone in the party.

Decided none of them were up to your standards.

Chose to stay with them anyway.

Various players playing key roles died.

You died, and it was the healers fault.

You felt the need to tell the group that you would not be playing with them again.

You came here to tell us about it.

Chose the title "Fun runs = fail runs?"

Hmmm....




I think you are right. You shouldn't group with those people again.

My thoughts exactly. +1

[grayham]

You joined the group that you thought was going to fill the fastest.

You remembered one player in the group as not being up to your standards.

You MYDDOed everyone in the party.

Decided none of them were up to your standards.

Chose to stay with them anyway.

Various players playing key roles died.

You died, and it was the healers fault.

You felt the need to tell the group that you would not be playing with them again.

You came here to tell us about it.

Chose the title "Fun runs = fail runs?"

Hmmm....




I think you are right. You shouldn't group with those people again.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts OP. I really want to feel a bit of sympathy for you, after all fails are frustrating, but the part where you said "I take the opportunity to say that I recommend that I tank Horoth as I have the highest DPS."

Yeah. That's where I lost the sympathy. How can you know this? Perhaps it's just my British sensibilities. Or perhaps it's being very sure of that myself on occasion but then getting spanked in the kill count by a ranger/monk/any class played well. Myddo'ing does not have a section for player skill.

[gloopygloop]

I hate to agree with Astra as it makes me cut myself but I'm often double madstoned in ToD Part 3. You can pull Sally out of range and Banish is on a 60 second timer you just have to be aware and you can rock your madstones.

I agree that it can be done (on the Sully tank in particular, but also by a good Horoth tank with appropriate gear and good situational awareness), but I certainly wouldn't be happy to see someone getting double madstoned in a PUG where you really can't count on that sort of thing.

If I already know the player and I know that they're capable of juggling all those things, then that's fine. But not in a PUG where the different people don't know each other.

[Kmnh]

This pretty much sums up my thoughts OP. I really want to feel a bit of sympathy for you, after all fails are frustrating, but the part where you said "I take the opportunity to say that I recommend that I tank Horoth as I have the highest DPS."

Yeah. That's where I lost the sympathy. How can you know this? Perhaps it's just my British sensibilities. Or perhaps it's being very sure of that myself on occasion but then getting spanked in the kill count by a ranger/monk/any class played well. Myddo'ing does not have a section for player skill.

The kill count doesn't measure DPS.

You can see who is doing the highest DPS by watching who the judge and nythirios are going after.

There are multiple things wrong with the OP, but this is not one of them

[maddmatt70]

The kill count doesn't measure DPS.

You can see who is doing the highest DPS by watching who the judge and nythirios are going after.

There are multiple things wrong with the OP, but this is not one of them

This does not accurately measure dps either but hate. A sword and board DOS with divine righteousness likely has the highest hate generation in the game, but we all know that build does not have the highest dps...

[maddmatt70]

DoS Paladins and Stalwart fighters are hands down the best tanks to use in that raid simply because it is an easy button for the healers. Throwing a barbarian in there is just creating more work for the healers than is necessary.

Even most PUGs have this figured out, at least in all the ToDs that I run.

Vallin.

Hey there is nothing wrong with a super high ac twf character with solid hate generation or a self healing FVS or wf Sorc tank just saying...

[Kmnh]

This does not accurately measure dps either but hate. A sword and board DOS with divine righteousness likely has the highest hate generation in the game, but we all know that build does not have the highest dps...

Isn't hate what matters when picking the horoth tank?

[maddmatt70]

Isn't hate what matters when picking the horoth tank?

Your statement was not about hate, but about who has the highest dps is measured by who has aggro on Horoth or etc., when in reality aggro = highest hate not necessarily dps..