Elemental ing. in LoB - make them BtA

[Doubs]

I think the developers should reconsider the BtC og the elemental ingrediens in LoB.

If this doesn't happen I'm afraid the raid will run out of healers shortly.

Why keep running the raid if you gain nothing from it?

Guild may not have the problem, but I'm sure pugs will.

If the ing. was BtA you can run on your healer, but transfer it to their melees and will still gain something.

I can think of any other crafting system - that has this disadvantage.

/Doub

[Eme]

totally agree,
..the current situation is one of those developer moments of ' how do we annoy the players with this one just to be nasty'.. except this one, this time will drive players away

[rodallec]

Consider them like shards of power in shroud.

[Morlen]

You gain the Khyber binding shards and the power cells... The elemental ingots are the one part that makes a character run the raid before crafting the raid loot.

[Doubs]

You gain the Khyber binding shards and the power cells... The elemental ingots are the one part that makes a character run the raid before crafting the raid loot.

That's my point exatly - so why would healers keep running the raid. How much is there for them to make?

If you can't loot anything for you other toons - you stay away.

/Doub

[R0cksteady]

That's my point exatly - so why would healers keep running the raid. How much is there for them to make?

If you can't loot anything for you other toons - you stay away.

/Doub

I disagree completely.

Martial/mystical power cells and greater cannith power cells seem to be more rare than the elemental spirits.

And if EVERYTHING is bound to account, why run your healers in there ever? Run it with melees and make things easier.

Something has to be BTC so you can't just make anything you want from there for a toon that hasn't even ran it. I'm glad it's one of the common items and not one of the rare cells.

[Candela90]

I agree. On healer there is no many usefull things u want to do. So ill soonprobably stop running it with healer and start it melee.
But who will heal then, when all divines will back out from LOB?

Shards in Shroud are almost common. in LoB things are pretty rare i would say.
Probably there will be a healer dramat soon, cause none healers will run this.

If things are BTA a lot of people can consider share account and just log onto other character and then pass it to another their toon. So there is not problem if u have healer and other toons.

If things are BTC... there will be A LOT eager to do this raid melees, some arcanes and no divines soon.

Oh, the second thing - tin shroud conc. things are great, so healers have something to run for. Here maybe something with devotion 9. And thats it.

[R0cksteady]

I agree. On healer there is no many usefull things u want to do. So ill soonprobably stop running it with healer and start it melee.
But who will heal then, when all divines will back out from LOB?

Shards in Shroud are almost common. in LoB things are pretty rare i would say.
Probably there will be a healer dramat soon, cause none healers will run this.

If things are BTA a lot of people can consider share account and just log onto other character and then pass it to another their toon. So there is not problem if u have healer and other toons.

If things are BTC... there will be A LOT eager to do this raid melees, some arcanes and no divines soon.

Oh, the second thing - tin shroud conc. things are great, so healers have something to run for. Here maybe something with devotion 9. And thats it.

I deciphered this post.

And still, I don't get it. Shard of power isn't less rare than spirits. The spirits are some of the easier things to get for alchemical. People will still run other toons in there to get the BTA items like power cells which are harder to get.

[lugoman]

Something has to be BTC so you can't just make anything you want from there for a toon that hasn't even ran it. I'm glad it's one of the common items and not one of the rare cells.

Why? Because that is how it has always been done in this and every other mmo? Turbine should try something something new.

[R0cksteady]

Why? Because that is how it has always been done in this and every other mmo? Turbine should try something something new.

Why? Well in this case it gives people a reason to run on toons that they may prefer not to bring.

Would I bring my healers in if I could just always run it with my melees? Hell no. I need spirits on my divines so I run with them too.

And when I'm done theirs, I'll be decent enough at the raids that I wont mind bringing my divines in to get all the other ingredients that are unbound/BTA.

[Eme]

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Something has to be BTC so you can't just make anything you want from there for a toon that hasn't even ran it. I'm glad it's one of the common items and not one of the rare cells.

this will be the crafting at the end of ther quest ?,, id love to know how you would make somethign without even running the quest then

[Kmnh]

Are people really having trouble getting spirits before the cells?

Those things have a high droprate, I see 3 to 5 every run, and most people put them up for roll because they already have it, or don't need it.

[Eme]

Are people really having trouble getting spirits before the cells?

Those things have a high droprate, I see 3 to 5 every run, and most people put them up for roll because they already have it, or don't need it.

thats not the point the OP is making, hes saying once certain class toons have their stuff and theres not much for that class in the first place, eg : cleric- why would he run again with that same toon when theres nothing there anymore for that character, the BTC of elemental ingredients will shorten the lifespan of the raid for particular classes, and very soon there will be a drop off of healers willing to go on their healers,,

, whereas if everything was BTA then players would not mind taking whatever class to get the group dynamics ready to run the raid. BTC simply stamps on this willingness to change toons for the good of the party for most people.

[Kmnh]

thats not the point the OP is making, hes saying once certain class toons have their stuff and theres not much for that class in the first place, eg : cleric- why would he run again with that same toon when theres nothing there anymore for that character, the BTC of elemental ingredients will shorten the lifespan of the raid for particular classes, and very soon there will be a drop off of healers willing to go on their healers,,

, whereas if everything was BTA then players would not mind taking whatever class to get the group dynamics ready to run the raid. BTC simply stamps on this willingness to change toons for the good of the party for most people.

The 10th completion free unbound power cell of your choice should address that pretty well. Those things are worth a lot right now.

[Eme]

The 10th completion free unbound power cell of your choice should address that pretty well. Those things are worth a lot right now.

..so either
1- suck it up and take a toon you dont want to take for 10 runs to get the wrong thing you want for another toon

or 2- take the toon you want thats not your cleric to get 10 chances of something you want on that toon and still get the 10th reward power cell...

result- not running on any character to help fill the group,- ergo- healers not running- raid being dumped after a short while as groups become impossible to fill

the 10th run free unbound power shard doesnt solve the issue being discussed at all, the only way to get groups easily after a short while is to change to BTA the elemental essences as well

[Kmnh]

..so either
1- suck it up and take a toon you dont want to take for 10 runs to get the wrong thing you want for another toon

or 2- take the toon you want thats not your cleric to get 10 chances of something you want on that toon and still get the 10th reward power cell...

result- not running on any character to help fill the group,- ergo- healers not running- raid being dumped after a short while as groups become impossible to fill

the 10th run free unbound power shard doesnt solve the issue being discussed at all, the only way to get groups easily after a short while is to change to BTA the elemental essences as well

Well the whole "healers not running the raid" feels alien to me. Maybe it's a Cannith thing, a lot of the good players here have a favored soul and enjoy playing it.

[Candela90]

I deciphered this post.

And still, I don't get it. Shard of power isn't less rare than spirits. The spirits are some of the easier things to get for alchemical. People will still run other toons in there to get the BTA items like power cells which are harder to get.

The difference is, healer can make a lot of usefull ings from a shroud(conc.opp, healing amp, neg amp. next conc opp on a weapon cause item + weapon conc. stack). From the new pack... only devotion 9 is actually worth it.

Melees will want to do weapons, maybe shields.

When we lack of healers on most raids, and on new raid divines can get only 1 usefull thing and others something around 2-3 usefull thing... count it.