Paladin(12)/Fighter(6)/Rogue(2) Help

[Varashad]

I wanted a toon who could get me the pally past life without eating any significant resources. I'm looking for constructive criticism. Please do not advise me to use the favored soul or monk class, half-elf race, or drow; I don't have the first three purchased, and drow is just too squishy for me.

My biggest concern with this build is that it might have too low of hp(only about 520-580 with gear) and strength(Likely around 30 or so) to be good at it's dps role, and overall just be bad. I had hoped the rogue's evasion and UMD might help out with that, but I'm not sure.

EDIT: Fixed some minor issues like me not taking my feat at level 20, and a slightly different level progression.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(6 Fighter \ 12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 336
Spell Points: 180 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 16
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             15                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    14
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         4                     5
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        3                     3
Haggle                6                     7
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                  6                    10
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                7                     7
Use Magic Device      6                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II

[countfitz]

Nice build. Don't have to change anything to be honest.

Did something like this, you won't like the advice, but went Drow (the intelligence, dexterity and Charisma boost really make up for the negative con) but Human does get the extra feat... which you spend on Improved Sunder. So, trade off 1 feat and 40 HPs, I dunno.

Otherwise, and again, just my opinion, I'd also switch to Defender of Siberys, the improvements made to it just ROCK, unless you are really planning to only run shroud and other very Devil/Demon heavy end game quests, then KotC isn't as uber as it once was. Of course, I was a drow so kinda wanted to offset the low HP, and the Strength boost is universal, whereas the boost with KotC is just to devils.

Finally, if you REALLY want to go low resources on this character, drop to 2 or 4 levels of fighter, the extra Paladin levels would get you Holy Weapon, a free +5 Holy Burst DR breaker with permanent Protection from Evil. If you already have the crafting levels or green steel though, this is a waste, stick with the fighter 6.

Again, did this with a Drow, first life before crafting, but Human should be about as fun. When I TR'd it, went straight Paladin/Rogue, no fighter at all, and working out even better, but I have the resources now to make it work.

And, there's really nothing wrong (that I see) with the current build either.

Oh, and I'd invest in a +2 int tome, I know, resource intensive, but if you use it by level 7, you'd get all those extra skill points!

[Varashad]

Otherwise, and again, just my opinion, I'd also switch to Defender of Siberys, the improvements made to it just ROCK, unless you are really planning to only run shroud and other very Devil/Demon heavy end game quests, then KotC isn't as uber as it once was. Of course, I was a drow so kinda wanted to offset the low HP, and the Strength boost is universal, whereas the boost with KotC is just to devils.

I'll look into DoS. I keep hearing that it's good now. I don't plan to keep this toon at 20 for long at all. I did the last 2 levels just for show, since as soon as he hits 20 he's gonna TR again, and I'll probably do this build 2 more times for the healing amp. That's all it's for.

[EpiKagEMO]

i think you should just drop fighter totally, or turn into a solar pheonix, or turn into a tempest I DosII.
monk gives the same amount of feats-toughness, power attack, two weapon fighting. and give you fire stance+jidz.

[Varashad]

i think you should just drop fighter totally, or turn into a solar pheonix, or turn into a tempest I DosII.
monk gives the same amount of feats-toughness, power attack, two weapon fighting. and give you fire stance+jidz.

I don't have the monk class so that is out of the question. Tempest has NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING on Kensai. +2 shield bonus to AC, slight damage bonuses vs select enemies, and a slight increase in off hand hitting, or haste boosts, weapon specialization and +1 combat DCs and action boosts; Kensai is better imo.

Going ranger will also starve me for feats, since I will drop ITWFing(-2 feats), but lose the 4 bonus feats I get from fighter, thus still requiring me to take GTWFing, and lacking the 2 feats fighter gives.

I have considered the DoS line, but I'm still hesitant. The massive damage vs evil outsiders that KotC gets is just extremely tempting, but at the same time the hp boosts from DoS II would fix this toon's hp problem. On the other hand, the enhancement requirements for DoS are defensive based as opposed to melee dps, which is what this build is planned for, and it leaves the build enhancement starved.

[Varashad]

Okay, this post is more to make myself realize on paper it will have sufficient stats to kill things.

First, strength break down.

15 base + 5 level up, +6 item, +1 human, +2 fighter, +2 rage, +2 ship buff = 33

Easily obtained gear and buffs. Could be around 36-40 with full gear.

Next hit points.

120 paladin
60 fighter
12 rogue
20 Heroic Durability
10 Draconic Vitality
40 constitution
22 toughness
40 toughness enhancements
=324 naked
60 +6 con item
30 GFL
20 Minos Legens
45 green steel
=479 with gear
20 ship buffs
20 rage
=519

All of this is easily obtained gear. Naturally if I went full out with tons of nice things it would be around 650 or so.

Damage Break down(Promised damage bonuses that are added to the roll before crits but after dice rolls).

Power Attack +5
Strength +11
Kensai Khopsesh +1
Divine Might +4
Divine Favor +3
Rage +1
=25 damage.

Not a lot, but then once I factor in the damage on evil outsiders and what not, which is what this build is going to be fighting most, it will be around +40 damage per hit for main hand and +28 for off hand with chance to double strike. It also only factored in the base "+"s to damage that are guaranteed.

Dice damage break down(damage inflicted by rolling dice, and thus averages must be relied on).

Khopesh 1d8 = 4.5 dmg
Divine Sacrifice 7d6 = 3.5 = 24.5 dmg
KotC Evil Killer 2d6 = 3.5 = 7 dmg
=36 damage average.

This is again not a lot, but once factored in with good weapons with effects like Lit II khopesh or Epic Chaos Blades the damage will definitely rise. Average damage per swing versus most enemies is gonna be a sexy 51 per swing. I'm so psyched!

Still hoping for critique! I'm hesitant to start this build until more people actually provide opinions on it!

[Varashad]

Slight change; Moved OTWF to level 20 and took Toughness again at level 15, granting +22 extra hp to the build.