New Elite VoD Loot

[sephiroth1084]

That actually makes the most sense, come to think of it. Say, ability to throw it into the last shroud altar with a t3 shard? That'd add the customizability, while keeping it internally consistent with the pack.

I think it's okay for a few items to not be internally consistent with their respective packs. We have the Dreamspitter (in GH, needs Dreaming Dark) and Gem of Many Facets (in DA, needs Red Fens), and I'm pretty sure there are others.

This weapon is unique, and warrants unique mechanics to support it, including having it upgradeable in a way that other raid loot is not, and having it require loot from other quests to do so.

[Thrudh]

What? No, they would not need to make epic VoD.
I will repeat myself again (because you clearly don't get it): "They should make it upgradeable with 30 epic raid tokens to add..."

Why the heck would they need to add shards and seals and scrolls to make the weapon upgradeable by using raid tokens only? There is something that doesn't make any sense at all!

WHat doesn't make sense is getting the base item by doing an easy raid, then completing a bunch of easy epics to get tokens..

If you're going to make a powerful epic item, it should be hard to get. Your plan makes it easy to get.

Edit:

Bolded for emphasis.

You would have to go through 30 epic raids to upgrade the item, is that not enough?

Ah! 30 RAID tokens, not dungeon tokens.

That's a little more fair.

[Thrudh]

I feel like it should be generally strong enough that a paladin would want this to be their main weapon in most cases. It's the only weapon in the game tailored to a specific class, and I feel like it would be a complete waste of effort and opportunity for awesomeness if it ended up being weaker than, say, a Shroud weapon. Weaker than a Cannith raid weapon...I think that would be reasonable, as those are pretty strong and rather difficult to fully upgrade...unless this became upgradeable using the same materials. That actually would be my preference, for it to be on par with the weapons that come out of LoB and MA fully upgraded, but using materials from those raids, or that are just as difficult to acquire (difficult, not long...that is, just as difficult to get as stuff from Epic LoB).

I agree 100%... Very sad if they make a cool weapon JUST for paladins, and hardly any paladins use it.

[Aaxeyu]

WHat doesn't make sense is getting the base item by doing an easy raid, then completing a bunch of easy epics to get tokens..

If you're going to make a powerful epic item, it should be hard to get. Your plan makes it easy to get.

If running epic raids is easy, then many powerful items are easy to get.
30 raid tokens is plenty. But that was just an example to show the principle.

[sephiroth1084]

If running epic raids is easy, then many powerful items are easy to get.
30 raid tokens is plenty. But that was just an example to show the principle.

And I agree that it would be silly for the thing to become very powerful in such an easy fashion, which is why I suggested using the ingredients for alchemical crafting from Lord of Blades to do the crafting on this, or special drops from elite Shroud, Hound, ToD (maybe Abbot and LoB as well).

[Thrudh]

If running epic raids is easy, then many powerful items are easy to get.
30 raid tokens is plenty. But that was just an example to show the principle.

I edited my post.. I didn't see the RAID part... I was thinking 30 dungeon tokens.

30 RAID tokens is a bit more fair.

[Aaxeyu]

And I agree that it would be silly for the thing to become very powerful in such an easy fashion, which is why I suggested using the ingredients for alchemical crafting from Lord of Blades to do the crafting on this, or special drops from elite Shroud, Hound, ToD (maybe Abbot and LoB as well).

Running 30 epic raids is not really easier than any other epic items.

[Asmodeus451]

I'm waiting to see the heavy repeater from Hound which shoots xoriat bees......

/drool

[sephiroth1084]

Running 30 epic raids is not really easier than any other epic items.

I think you quoted the wrong post.

[Vordax]

Could add "Craftable +5" to it.. give it some options. Personally I like the idea of adding a Craftable option to raid items in general.

Could make a new option for colorless (or some other color) slots to slot it with +5 Craftable also.

Vordax

[somenewnoob]

Could add "Craftable +5" to it.. give it some options. Personally I like the idea of adding a Craftable option to raid items in general.

Could make a new option for colorless (or some other color) slots to slot it with +5 Craftable also.

Vordax

That would be a nice little change. I like that idea a lot.

[elraido]

It is pretty sad that a sword like that is considered "trash".

Tells you just how Monty Haul this campaign has become...

The devs have given us just way too much stuff.

This. This is also one reason why I would be very hesitant to add anything to it beyond making the base damage 2d8 OR the crit profile x3 OR 18-20 range.. Being able to craft on it, while it would be nice, would simply make it way over powered. Ever since the addition of greensteel (items were becoming over powered at that time) and then epic SoS, everyone compairs an item to it. If it doesn't come near an epic SoS, the item is gimp and shouldn't even exist. That is the same issue with what is going on with this item. It is a very decent item. Is it great...no. With some minor tweeking, it can be an item that every paladin should strive for.

[Aaxeyu]

This. This is also one reason why I would be very hesitant to add anything to it beyond making the base damage 2d8 OR the crit profile x3 OR 18-20 range.. Being able to craft on it, while it would be nice, would simply make it way over powered. Ever since the addition of greensteel (items were becoming over powered at that time) and then epic SoS, everyone compairs an item to it. If it doesn't come near an epic SoS, the item is gimp and shouldn't even exist. That is the same issue with what is going on with this item. It is a very decent item. Is it great...no. With some minor tweeking, it can be an item that every paladin should strive for.

Some "minor tweaking" isn't enough. It's a really bad weapon. Paladins are also so far behind in DPS that even if they this sword would make Esos look weak it's not really overpowered.

[Jandric]

Because so much of a Paladin's damage dealing ability through smites and Divine Sacrifice is tied up in crit modifiers, this falls far behind of any moderately attainable Cannith crafted beaters or even the Holy Sword spell when used to create khopeshes. Add in its inability to break the DR of devil bosses, and this is a niche weapon at best. This weapon, at a minimum, needs metalline to be useful- and a higher base damage or crit profile would help make it decent. As it stands right now, it's just a Mari beater for people that don't have Min IIs or haven't bothered getting cold iron blanks for cannith crafting- and that's a shame.

[elraido]

Some "minor tweaking" isn't enough. It's a really bad weapon. Paladins are also so far behind in DPS that even if they this sword would make Esos look weak it's not really overpowered.

What they lack in DPS they can more than make up in survivability. It is a trade off...not all classes should be able to out DPS a frenzied barb with an epic SoS.

[LeLoric]

Forget shroud and canith items for comparing this sword.

It is arguably worse than enduring conviction.

It just doesn't even have a niche use at the current power level.

[elraido]

Because so much of a Paladin's damage dealing ability through smites and Divine Sacrifice is tied up in crit modifiers, this falls far behind of any moderately attainable Cannith crafted beaters or even the Holy Sword spell when used to create khopeshes. Add in its inability to break the DR of devil bosses, and this is a niche weapon at best. This weapon, at a minimum, needs metalline to be useful- and a higher base damage or crit profile would help make it decent. As it stands right now, it's just a Mari beater for people that don't have Min IIs or haven't bothered getting cold iron blanks for cannith crafting- and that's a shame.

That is exactly what I am proposing for them to do with it. Higher base damage (2d8) or 3x crit, or 18-20 range. Honestly I think the 18-20 range would be the best. It would work well with the blasts of the weapon and also with the crit increasing abilities of smite and divine sac.

[Aaxeyu]

What they lack in DPS they can more than make up in survivability.

Not in endgame.

[elraido]

Forget shroud and canith items for comparing this sword.

It is arguably worse than enduring conviction.

It just doesn't even have a niche use at the current power level.

That was one thing I was thinking about actually. How is this really different than enduring conviction....they basically traded out banishing for radiance and tacked on some other minor things (cold iron and sr and greater dispel). With the addition to GEOB to E.C., this actually almost seems like it will fall behind in DPS to it.

[elraido]

Not in endgame.

You talking just epics?