Hi. I found this build:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ghlight=batman
... and it seems to be what I'm looking for.
But as the thread is pretty old I was wondering if someone more knowlegeable of the game than myself can take a look and tell me if the build is still good.
I would like to know specificaly if the build is good enough to solo amarath on normal.
Also, i would like to modify if for THF as i already have a min2 greatsword.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
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Thread: Is this build still effective?
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10-26-2011, 07:16 AM #1Community Member
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Is this build still effective?
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10-26-2011, 07:27 AM #2Community Member
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It will be playable, but not *effective*.
Also, it's not an Approved Build™ , so you might run into trouble with silly/newbish raid leaders.
Today's tanks have a lot more HP than the ones from that time, they usually don't need evasion. Build a simple, pure level 20 melee first and you can think about weird builds after running raids successfully a few times.Kmnh * Kmn * Kmm * Knn * Knm
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10-26-2011, 07:51 AM #3Community Member
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I would say that with the changes to Stal that the old posts calculations are off with regards to hp and with the sent dragon marks the denith helm and fully geared in stance you'd get around 900+ hp. I would say that this build would be effective but not optimal. I'm not sure what your looking for but I'm sure if you tell us we can help you modify that build to fit your wants.
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Ty for the replies. I was originaly just looking for a self healing melee, as I'm presently playing with a pure barbarian and I find it frustating to be healer dependant.
This build would offer much more, as I would be able to do traps (which I like) and would introduce something I never did b4: tanking.
Would this build have decent endgame/epic dps if modified to use a min2 greatsword?
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10-26-2011, 10:02 AM #5The Hatchery
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Re: the bolded part. For epic Chronoscope, a tank with (impoved) evasion is pretty much wanted for the end fight.
Originally Posted by Kmnh
Re: Getting a self-healing Tank who can do traps.
Generally speaking, this is a lot to put into one build.
Most proper melee classes are tight on skill points, which makes it hard to include trap skills. On the other hand, every build with a Rogue (or Bard, or Arty) splash is able to get reasonable self-healing through UMD'd heal scrolls. This requires some additional gear and will not work entirely while leveling.
Other self-healing options are: 18/2 Paladin, heavily-ranger based builds (e.g. 15 ranger/4 fighter/1 rogue), or a Monk/Fighter build which uses the Fists of Light attack to get back some HP on every hit.Last edited by karl_k0ch; 10-26-2011 at 10:50 AM.
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10-27-2011, 07:45 AM #6Community Member
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I am making this build for a friend of mine. It's still in the working prosses and the changes to monk might change it further. He wanted something to get PL rogue and be able to solo most of the time and be able to tank some endgame content once he got there. He wanted WF no matter what and he would still like it to be dual khopesh build but for this I would suggest Qstaff. Fully geared out and in stances (earth and stal) it might be able to the 800'ish hp (not something I would take into eLoB but fine for the rest). It can do traps and UMD most scrolls but again its gear intesive for the epic lv traps. I'm sure this build could be done w/o all the pl (take points from str 16 base should do it for a 32 point). What I was realy going for here was a tank that was immune to knockdown and had imp. evation.
If you want to go thf/tank/epic trapper/and have some self healing with a more standard build you might want to go with a 2rogue/18 barb or monk (if they keep the u12 changes to monk earth stance) both classes get a good amount of skill points for a little investment into int and human will give you an extra one/lv as well as a feat. I have a dual khopesher planed for the next life on my main (I've invest to much into khopeshes to give them up, lit2's, smiters, disrupters, and my pride and joy a crafted +5 silver holy burst of greater lawful outssider bane with a med guild augment slot) that I'll also post here. I can break down the math on the skills for you but I'll have to do it when I have more time.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male (6 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 12 Rogue) Hit Points: 532 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 16\16\21\26\26 Fortitude: 19 Reflex: 16 Will: 8 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 27 Dexterity 12 17 Constitution 20 24 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 6 8 Charisma 6 8 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 1 9 Bluff -2 -1 Concentration 5 7 Diplomacy -2 -1 Disable Device 3 22 Haggle 1 4 Heal -2 -1 Hide 1 3 Intimidate 2 21 Jump 4 14 Listen -2 -1 Move Silently 1 3 Open Lock 5 19 Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search 3 22 Spot 2 22 Swim 4 8 Tumble 2 10 Use Magic Device 2 22 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Haggle (+3) Skill: Intimidate (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 4 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 5 (Monk) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 7 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+2) Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+3) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 10 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Level 11 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 12 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+2) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 13 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 14 (Monk) Skill: Spot (+4) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Search (+3) Skill: Spot (+2) Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+5) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+5) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+7) Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II Enhancement: Improved Balance I Enhancement: Improved Balance II Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting IV Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III
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10-27-2011, 08:10 AM #7The Hatchery
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Interesting approach. Quite a number of Toughness feats which you picked up there. Originally Posted by MeatSheild
Will Dodge give you any essential benefit? Will you achieve reasonable AC with that build?
If not, consider taking Shield Mastery instead which is at least a situational damage reduction untility.Toons on Orien: Meinir // Flodur // Twiddler // Thorkar // Impetor // Juliacantor // Minor all Soko Irrlicht
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10-27-2011, 10:42 AM #8Build Constructionist
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Batman 9.4 is still an interesting build, IMHO, but it doesn't take into account some changes since it came out:
- U9 changes to Intim & shield feats - turtle-tanking is no longer viable while the shield feats went from almost useless to almost mandatory on a S&B tank, IMHO
- Some of the newer gear - in particular, epic Swashbuckler + epic Duelist Leather might be better for it than Icy Raiments + AC bracers + Lorrik's
- You can now use Versatility + Haste Boost simultaneously on humans & HEs.
- HE might be better than human depending dilly: e.g., pally for +saves, monk for +AC & +20% heal amp.
Plus if you switch to THF, it makes sense to have DAxe or BSword for S&B tanking; esp. the latter if you get an epic Chimera's Fang.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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10-28-2011, 10:28 AM #9Community Member
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Ty all for the reply's. I'll try the 18 Barbarian\2Rogue build.
Btw, would a Lesser Reincarnation allow me to change my initial class from barb to roque? or do i have to lvl to 20 and TR again to do that?
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10-28-2011, 12:29 PM #10Build Constructionist
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The main drawback to rogue / barbs is that while Raged you can't use wands or scrolls, disable traps, etc. - you can't do much other than hit stuff & drink pots. For barbs who only take the rogue splash for Evasion, this isn't an issue; but it sounds like you want to be self-sufficient as well, which doesn't mesh well with a barb's anger management issues. Originally Posted by zerit2002
An LR or GR +1 or +3 would let you change class on your first level, yes, so long as there are no alignment conflicts (not an issue with rogue / barbs) and you have no more than 3 classes in your build at any time (e.g., if you had a rogue / barb / ftr and decided you wanted to replace barb with rgr, you'd have to LR once to turn all your barb lvls into rogue or ftr first, then do a second LR a week later to swap in rgr).Btw, would a Lesser Reincarnation allow me to change my initial class from barb to roque?Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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10-28-2011, 01:10 PM #11Community Member
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Yes i realize that, but it seems to me that with 18 levels of barbarian, even unraged, the raw dps and attack bonus will be greater than the other build would allow. But I could be wrong. I'm the 1st to admit i dont have a complete understanding of all the game mechanics envolved. Originally Posted by unbongwah
The main drawback to rogue / barbs is that while Raged you can't use wands or scrolls, disable traps, etc. - you can't do much other than hit stuff & drink pots. For barbs who only take the rogue splash for Evasion, this isn't an issue; but it sounds like you want to be self-sufficient as well, which doesn't mesh well with a barb's anger management issues.
I was thinking of saving the rages for when there is a healer around.
Does TWF and greater base strenght make the dps of the 6Fighter\2Monk\12Rogue greater, despite its highest class lvl being 12 roque? Or are they about the same?
Also, would the other build work with human? And can it be adapted for THF?
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10-28-2011, 04:51 PM #12Community Member
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OMG! Thief acrobat II gives immunity to knockdown! :O I had no idea. That's awesome!
What do you think of this? Ignore feat order till lvl12.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Human Female (8 Fighter \ 12 Rogue) Hit Points: 420 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 17\17\22\27\27 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 11 Will: 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 28 Dexterity 8 13 Constitution 18 21 Intelligence 10 12 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 8 8 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 22 Bluff -1 -1 Concentration 4 5 Diplomacy -1 -1 Disable Device 4 25 Haggle 3 5 Heal -1 0 Hide -1 1 Intimidate -1 7 Jump 8 24 Listen -1 0 Move Silently -1 1 Open Lock 3 24 Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 1 Search 4 25 Spot 3 27 Swim 4 9 Tumble 3 12 Use Magic Device 3 22 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 4 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 5 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Power Critical Level 7 (Fighter) Level 8 (Rogue) Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Level 11 (Fighter) Level 12 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Enhancement: Improved Balance I Enhancement: Improved Balance II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Level 13 (Fighter) Level 14 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 16 (Rogue) Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Rogue) Level 20 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I Enhancement: Improved Search I Enhancement: Improved Spot I Enhancement: Improved Spot II Enhancement: Improved Spot III Enhancement: Improved Spot IV Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
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I'd rather have a high hp/high healing amp tank who knows how to get out of the way during dragonbreaths without getting the party in danger. Every time I've seen a tank say "don't worry, I have evasion", they roll a 1 during the fire dragon, nearly wiping the party. I think it's a karma thing Originally Posted by karl_k0ch
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Ya, I don't think I've ever seen us run this with an evasion tank. However, I've never run it outside of guild/channel runs, so perhaps with random pug groups it might be more necessary. Originally Posted by Kmnh
I'd rather have a high hp/high healing amp tank who knows how to get out of the way during dragonbreaths without getting the party in danger. Every time I've seen a tank say "don't worry, I have evasion", they roll a 1 during the fire dragon, nearly wiping the party. I think it's a karma thingOsharan, Esharan, Osharina, Usharina, etc... I'm the 'sharans. Epoxy. Notverysexy.
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Changed the enhancements to get kensai I and added a +2 char tome to help with UMD.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Human Female (8 Fighter \ 12 Rogue) Hit Points: 420 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 17\17\22\27\27 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 11 Will: 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 28 Dexterity 8 13 Constitution 18 21 Intelligence 10 12 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 22 Bluff -1 1 Concentration 4 6 Diplomacy -1 1 Disable Device 4 24 Haggle 3 6 Heal -1 0 Hide -1 1 Intimidate -1 9 Jump 8 24 Listen -1 0 Move Silently -1 1 Open Lock 3 24 Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 1 Search 4 24 Spot 3 25 Swim 4 9 Tumble 3 12 Use Magic Device 3 23 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 4 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 5 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Power Critical Level 7 (Fighter) Level 8 (Rogue) Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Level 11 (Fighter) Level 12 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Enhancement: Improved Balance I Enhancement: Improved Balance II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Level 13 (Fighter) Level 14 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 16 (Rogue) Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Rogue) Level 20 (Rogue) Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II Enhancement: Improved Spot I Enhancement: Improved Spot II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
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10-28-2011, 06:26 PM #16Build Constructionist
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There are a number of rogue 13 / <something> 6 / <something else> 1 builds out there which you might want to look at for ideas: e.g., the Hurtlocker.
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10-28-2011, 08:20 PM #17Community Member
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The first build Meatshield posted is similar to theHurtlocker build posted a while back.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=194791&page=6
its a 13rog/6pal/1monk WF TAII/DoSI TWF Khopesh build. Suprisingly effective, but probably not enough HP's to tank Epic LoB.
I rolled a 32pt version of this build, but haven't leveled it up yet. the changes to DoSI actually give it a bit more tanking oomph, along with bonuses from intim, and changes to bluff give it more versatility.
Due to the heavy MAD, it would work best as a 36pt build with a few +3 tomes. As is, its a solid survivable build, capable of tanking most raids in the game, with the proper gear, through probably not epics/elite ToD without more work. Its extremely survivable and great for soloing.
Check out the stalwart version posted in that thread as well (13rog/6ftr/1monk) with some shield mastery feats and possibly improved sunder, it could be more focused for heavy tanking.
This is Thanimals Stalwart Hurtlocker variant from that thread, also solid.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (6 Paladin \ 1 Monk \ 13 Rogue) Hit Points: 338 Spell Points: 50 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 21 Will: 11 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 15 22 22 Dexterity 15 17 20 Constitution 16 18 20 Intelligence 12 14 14 Wisdom 6 8 8 Charisma 12 14 14 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 6 13 19 Bluff 5 24 24 Concentration 3 6 9 Diplomacy 1 2 2 Disable Device 5 22 22 Haggle 1 2 2 Heal -2 -1 -1 Hide 2 6 6 Intimidate 5 25 25 Jump 5 21 25 Listen -2 -1 -1 Move Silently 2 6 6 Open Lock 6 23 23 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 1 2 2 Search 5 22 22 Spot 2 17 17 Swim 2 6 6 Tumble 3 6 12 Use Magic Device 5 25 25 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Bluff (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Intimidate (+4) Skill: Jump (+3) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 3 (Paladin) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Level 4 (Paladin) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+3) Skill: Use Magic 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Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+3) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 13 (Monk) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Bluff (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Jump (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+3) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Paladin) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 17 (Paladin) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 18 (Paladin) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise Level 19 (Paladin) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Bluff (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Improved Balance I Enhancement: Improved Balance II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Originally Posted by Thanimal
Last edited by mournbladereigns; 10-28-2011 at 08:25 PM.
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10-29-2011, 07:20 AM #18Community Member
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Your completely right about this. For some reason I always think Doge is required for TA. Originally Posted by karl_k0ch
As a side note I'm glad some ppl have thought the rogue build was a cool idea. I have been bouncing the idea around for quite some time now but I haven't real found that I'm 100% happy with it yet, but the fact the its got some people thinking and talking suits me fine.
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