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10-27-2011, 01:15 PM #21Community Member
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Tarnesh(GateauFRANCIS, Life 10/10+) / Thazok(GateauTUNES, Life 5/4) / Thaerom(GateauHJEALS, Life 3/3)
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10-27-2011, 03:21 PM #22Community Member
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well I def wouldn't take dex for balance - con increases fort save which will prevent the KD from happening from stuff like trip, whereas balance simply makes you get up faster.
always max str and at least 16-18 con (depending if you get a bonus) for a barb.
once you have that I'd go with con or wisdom for will save...
you can perma rage just fine with 16 con so extended rage is meh, still extra hp and fort save is nice - just that at 16-18 con it costs quite a few points to continue to raise it.
Int isn't a bad choice either I suppose. I just don't find I need the skill points.
if you have enough build points to max con and str then the extra imo should go into wis or int.
given your stat distribution, I assume your orc. - def wisdom in that case.Last edited by zex95966; 10-27-2011 at 03:23 PM.
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10-28-2011, 06:04 PM #23Community Member
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Knockdown is a check against the higher of Strength and Dexterity. Fortitude is a good save, but knockdown is not part of it. Originally Posted by zex95966
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10-28-2011, 06:28 PM #24Community Member
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Dropping Con by two points and upping dex by 6 is a great trade-off. If you think otherwise, you've either been theorycrafting on the forums more than you've actually been playing the game, or you've not been paying attention at all when you do play, and need to up your game. Reflexes saves are so powerful and +3 will do far more for you than another 23 HP. Combined with uncanny dodge and you can easily hit a threshold where you saves are meaningful.
If you don't believe me me, believe Mr. shade, de facto expert on barbarians: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=298161
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10-28-2011, 06:32 PM #25Community Member
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20 or so Dex + Uncanny Dodge+5resistance+2GL+recitation etc = ref save that will make a difference
One of the ways to mitigate damage is to simply take less spell damage.
12dex is a decent number to start with. 9 in Int Cha Wis with +2 tomes for SF pot usage.Proud Leader & official Gimp of Crimson Eagles on Khyber
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10-29-2011, 03:30 AM #26Community Member
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Dropping starting constitution is different though. The starting points can be invested elsewhere, something you cannot do while gearing up the toon. Moreover, it allows you to boost other stats majorly. This is an opportunity you don't get anymore later on. Whatever your attributes are, you can still get GFL, greensteel 45 HP. The gear is actually used to make up for the lower starting constitution. Originally Posted by Arshan
On a barb I'd say the contrary. As long as you hit close to 600 before buffs/rage, you are good. People rolling 3 barb lifes for getting 30 more hp are wasting their time. Just 1 past life is enough. Originally Posted by Arshan
I actually dropped con to 14 on a dwarven barb, and haven't regretted it for a single moment. Running around with 40 str, 26 dex and 32 con before buffs is pretty good. Fortitude saves are high enough even with a low starting con. Originally Posted by Arshan
20 hp isn't gonna make a difference in most cases, but 15% higher chance to dodge very high damage is. Originally Posted by Arshan
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10-31-2011, 12:36 AM #27Community Member
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It really depends on your build.
I have found this barbarian evasion build to be the most easiest toons I have to solo anything with. With the right grear DPS is great, with evasion for damage mitigation and to disarm traps with my face.
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10-31-2011, 06:20 AM #28Community Member
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No THF line (nor TWF but 14 dext doenst imply it)... for REAL ? I mean one of the greatest thing on a THF barb are the glancing blows (ok you drop the capstone but still)... where are your dps as a barb here ? Originally Posted by zebidos
18 fighter 2 rogue would make WAY more sense in this case imo. (though i appreciate the improved sunder). As far as the THF line isnt as impressive as the TWF line, it's still a HUGE permanent damage boost !
ALl the remains my own opinion of course
And when i started DDO my second life ever was a 18 barb 2 rogue too, so i can't say anything ^^ Though it sucked soooo much compared to the power any other relative split can do. For real ^^
I really appreciate the work Shade involved in writting all those threads and it's an AWESOME approach for any "new to barbs" player (i especially think about completionnist guys that just want to go through barb life and get it done). But as soon as you understand what a barb is mainly (only?) about, all what Shade says gets obvious enough to not requiring a full thread, by that i mean : PA/Cleave/Two weapons/handed fighting line/Imp crit and a remaining feat (shade explains well the pro and cons of each possible feat). But ya i always recommend his thread to the newbish barbs i meet on my TRs ways just cause it says it all. Though, I disagree on some points with him especially on dexterity (since we're speaking 'bout it) and his overestimation of barbs overall (i love barbs though, trust me, i've done 6 or 7 various barbs lives through all my TRs, so as far as i'm not bringing ULTIMATE threads like Shade, i have my own opinion of what a barb is about, and i'm sharing it here, always with THISISMYOWNIPINION(TM) Originally Posted by AtomicMew
). And it's not because everyone is venerating Shade on forum that i want to kneel and accept HIS point of view of barbs, cause i have my own which is, as i say, a wee different
The only reason to get dexterity on a barbarian imo is to go TWF, so you'll want 15 base dext. And if you want to go for splash rogue for crappy evasion... your call. Only thing you'll evade sometimes are traps, and 95% of the content can be manually evaded with some skills, so i don't see the point loosing 2 feats from fighter for evasion.
I had time to waste so here i am again to annoy you (maybe a drama, please let's do a DRAAAAMMMMA <3)
Hopefully you'll understand what i mean and not take it as a personal attack or w/e
I'm just about confronting our opinions
Oh, and one last thing to say : "Justin Bieber is dext based" :PLast edited by Arshan; 10-31-2011 at 06:36 AM.
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10-31-2011, 07:56 AM #29Community Member
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28 reflex before buffs is very possible: http://my.ddo.com/character/thelanis/ragehead/ Originally Posted by Arshan
Including shipbuffs, GH, haste you can get a reflex save of 35.
Using holy aura and uncanny dodge, it is 45.
When you are a dwarf, you get +5 reflex save vs spells. As a dwarf you can reliable have a reflex save of 40 in most content.
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10-31-2011, 08:09 AM #30Community Member
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10-31-2011, 09:32 AM #31Community Member
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You are right, but I have some unique needs, I solo pretty much 99% of the time so wanted a evasion character with alot of HP and UMD. Originally Posted by Arshan
No THF line (nor TWF but 14 dext doenst imply it)... for REAL ? I mean one of the greatest thing on a THF barb are the glancing blows (ok you drop the capstone but still)... where are your dps as a barb here ?
18 fighter 2 rogue would make WAY more sense in this case imo. (though i appreciate the improved sunder). As far as the THF line isnt as impressive as the TWF line, it's still a HUGE permanent damage boost !
ALl the remains my own opinion of course
Oh, and one last thing to say : "Justin Bieber is dext based" :P
My style is to run into the centre of a mob and supreme cleave while my trusty hireling heals me if I am not casting invisible and sneaking past them. Supreme cleave is the best AOE the barb has in my humble opinion
In normal play yeah glancing blows are great, but I honestly have no need for them, DPS wise though is fantastic, just have to play a little bit differently.
I use UMD alot, which may seem a bit weird on a ragin charcter but get around this by maximising the number of rages, then dismissing them as needed.
For a normal barb that spends alot of time playing with others then the THF line is great to have I agree.
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10-31-2011, 10:17 AM #32Community Member
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/that <3 Originally Posted by zebidos
Supreme cleave is the best AOE the barb has in my humble opinion
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11-01-2011, 01:40 PM #33Community Member
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hmmm elven finesse barbarian build...any one have one yet?
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11-01-2011, 02:47 PM #34Community Member
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And the best of all! Originally Posted by Forzah
You only have to sacrifice 6 ho strength, 4 ho melee damage, 3 ho PA, 2 strength from the capstone, 2 from mighty rage and 10% glancing blow damage to get it!
Hey, it's not like Barbarians are melee DPS, we don't need to do lots of damage. In fact I'm gonna TR right now just for those amazing reflex saves.
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11-02-2011, 09:51 AM #35Community Member
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Well said +1 Originally Posted by Consumer
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11-02-2011, 10:02 AM #36Community Member
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Not a dump stat.
11-12 minimum.
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