Dear Artificers

[furbyoats]

I'm so happy that you got carried through a skelly run and you pulled a tira's splendor...good job. Seriously, my hat is off to you. However, just because your dinky plinker can now bypass DR, you should still carry silver weapons for the raid party. I know you don't need it, but realistically I don't need your sub-par DPS when i could throw a meathead barb in your slot. An arti who doesn't carry silver weaps is like a bard who doesn't sing songs. Sure they can throw out some buffs and hit stuff, but ultimately they are brought in as a support role.

which is what an arti is, a support class.

So please, my dear failed artificers, carry buffs that will boost the party damage output....and much like most bards, you can pike away after you buff.

Next time I hear this mindless jargon about how "I don't carry silver weapons because I don't need it," I will be more than happy to express how my FvS doesn't carry mass heals/cures...because I don't need them.

[Vengenance]

I really hate to agree with Toastee here, but...

/signed

I also hit ya w/ a +1 because of the neg rep you'll likely receive for posting this.

[Glenalth]

So you are saying that you want people to contribute and use their resources to help other people so that the group can complete?

[SHOCK_and_AWE]

So you are saying that you want people to contribute and use their resources to help other people so that the group can complete?

Yes. How dare he make such a statement!

But along those lines, carrying silver weapons is akin to a fleshie arcane carrying Reconstruct; while the spell is useless for them personally, it can greatly help the group when cast on the warforged taking a beating from the devil general. It will make your contribution to the group even greater and will garner appreciation for your increased role.

EDIT: Thank God for Lazarus.

[redspecter23]

Yes. How dare he make such a statement!

But along those lines, carrying silver weapons is akin to a fleshie arcane carrying Reconstruct; while the spell is useless for them personally, it can greatly help the group when cast on the warforged taking a beating from the devil general. It will make your contribution to the group even greater and will garner appreciation for your increased role.

EDIT: Thank God for Lazarus.

I'm actually seeing fewer fleshy sorc arcane's carrying reconstruct these days, not because it isn't useful, but because they are carrying better spells in those slots for the quests they're focusing on. The declining population of WF tanks probably didn't help the cause. I remember back in the day when VoD was a nightly raid, I devoted one of my sorc slots to reconstruct to help the group. This differs greatly from the artificer situation as silver weapons is an amazing group buff if you're running certain quests and if you are about to go into one of those certain quests, you can just set the spell in much the same way a cleric or wizard could. The only acceptable excuse for not having silver weapons for that quest is that you've been extremely unlucky finding the scroll and your most recent level up went to something far better like blade barrier or reconstruct. If an arty has the spell memorized and is purposely not bringing it into shroud or tod, they are doing the party a disservice.

[SHOCK_and_AWE]

I'm actually seeing fewer fleshy sorc arcane's carrying reconstruct these days, not because it isn't useful, but because they are carrying better spells in those slots for the quests they're focusing on. The declining population of WF tanks probably didn't help the cause. I remember back in the day when VoD was a nightly raid, I devoted one of my sorc slots to reconstruct to help the group. This differs greatly from the artificer situation as silver weapons is an amazing group buff if you're running certain quests and if you are about to go into one of those certain quests, you can just set the spell in much the same way a cleric or wizard could. The only acceptable excuse for not having silver weapons for that quest is that you've been extremely unlucky finding the scroll and your most recent level up went to something far better like blade barrier or reconstruct. If an arty has the spell memorized and is purposely not bringing it into shroud or tod, they are doing the party a disservice.

Perhaps I made a bad comparison, but I am sure such an analogy among the spellcasting and buff-capable classes and artificers carrying this spell exists.

[furbyoats]

So you are saying that you want people to contribute and use their resources to help other people so that the group can complete?

Madness!

[Stillwaters]

OUCH!

Firstly i agree with carrying the Silver weps/other buffspells,
but REALLY??!? why hate on repeater dps,
a WELL BUILT and PLAYED toon will do quite respectable ranged dps..and cost party less resources
a badly MADE barb MIGHT just do less...and cost a lot more in hjeels

Hate not knowing if to give you a +1 or neg you... (^^)

[furbyoats]

OUCH!

Firstly i agree with carrying the Silver weps/other buffspells,
but REALLY??!? why hate on repeater dps,
a WELL BUILT and PLAYED toon will do quite respectable ranged dps..and cost party less resources
a badly MADE barb MIGHT just do less...and cost a lot more in hjeels

Hate not knowing if to give you a +1 or neg you... (^^)

Quick question...you're a bit light on dps for the party...do you take a) and art or b) basically anything else?

Repeaters can do okay damage, but if you expect me to believe that a repeater arti can out dps a pure dps build then you're just crazy.

Not hating on repeaters at all, i'm currently levelling an arti. Hating on players being d-bags and acting like nubs.

[Stillwaters]

Quick question...you're a bit light on dps for the party...do you take a) and art or b) basically anything else?

Repeaters can do okay damage, but if you expect me to believe that a repeater arti can out dps a pure dps build then you're just crazy.

Not hating on repeaters at all, i'm currently levelling an arti. Hating on players being d-bags and acting like nubs.

On the burst i think my Rifleman COULD out-dps MANY of the builds i see posted in the forums, Manyshot/hasteboost followed by fusillade damageboost is some surprisingly good numbers.

And i have been in pugs with a LOT of Blitz builds that cannot live up to their toons design:
My point is its about the quality of PLAYER not the build..

Arty DPS includes survivability as a component which MANY toons that TBH NEED BABYSITTING cannot manage. That doesnt mean all Blitz cant survive anymore than it means all repeater builds can DPS, its the player BEHIND the build that manages that.

To answer your question, if you cannot pick the first 5 - or 11 players hitting your LFM then you might want to look at your OWN build.

If my shroud group didnt have an arty in it to cast silver weps on the group, id ask for players to bring boss beaters. Assuming that the arty that joins is going to Silver wep you is stupid planning, tho i still agree in YOUR CORNER CASE, the arty in question would make my list after being ASKED to switch a spell and not doing it to benefit a BAD group.

One question i haven't seen asked or answered in here:

Did your group complete - even with the selfish players it seems it was comprised of?

[apep1412]

[...] Did your group complete - even with the selfish players it seems it was comprised of?

Good to know that if I request for someone to help a group at no to little personal expense, then I'm a selfish player.

[Rawel_San]

Quick question...you're a bit light on dps for the party...do you take a) and art or b) basically anything else?

Repeaters can do okay damage, but if you expect me to believe that a repeater arti can out dps a pure dps build then you're just crazy.

<snip>

As usual this depends completely on the arti. I know tons of artis that do better dps then tons of barbarians.
Then again my exploiter (which I have no illusions about in terms of dps) has better dps then tons of barbarians,
but that's because I still see barbarians that take 0 damage in the portal round of shroud. The build/player/gear
is soooo much more important then the thing that shows up on your bar.

[furbyoats]

As usual this depends completely on the arti. I know tons of artis that do better dps then tons of barbarians.
Then again my exploiter (which I have no illusions about in terms of dps) has better dps then tons of barbarians,
but that's because I still see barbarians that take 0 damage in the portal round of shroud. The build/player/gear
is soooo much more important then the thing that shows up on your bar.

Agreed...but your average barb will beat out your average arti. The "great" player that you reference would understand game mechanics and know that dr bypassing lit II's will dominate min II's...so they will have the buff if needed. I dont hate artis. I hate boneheads who are jerks when asked for reasonable buffs.

We are talking about a guy who "doesn't carry it because he doesn't need it. he has a tira's splendor."

[djl]

Quick question...you're a bit light on dps for the party...do you take a) and art or b) basically anything else?

Repeaters can do okay damage, but if you expect me to believe that a repeater arti can out dps a pure dps build then you're just crazy.

Not hating on repeaters at all, i'm currently levelling an arti. Hating on players being d-bags and acting like nubs.

A repeater arti with Deadly Weapons memorized can definitely out-DPS any pure DPS build For my barbarian, deadly weapons is roughly a 25% boost to my damage. I hit just about the same with Deadly weapons and no damage boost as I would hit with Damage Boost IV (+25% damage boost) without deadly weapons. Add that to every non-arcane in the group and you get a significant boost to your party's DPS.

[Kilnedric]

No problem! But can you remind your grouped Arty to bring it? Sometimes, it's just an oversight. Maybe he's been soloing and had something else slotted. A friendly request before entering the quest can make it all better.

[furbyoats]

No problem! But can you remind your grouped Arty to bring it? Sometimes, it's just an oversight. Maybe he's been soloing and had something else slotted. A friendly request before entering the quest can make it all better.

He was asked repeatedly before he even shrined in part 3. he got ****y and told everyone to quit asking him for the buff...then he linked the tira's splendor and proceeded to explain that he doesnt need the buff since he has that rune arm. He had the ability to carry it but refused to because he got a rune arm to break his pew pew dr.

TL;DR - Guy was a Huge Bag of D*****ry

[Raiderone]

He was asked repeatedly before he even shrined in part 3. he got ****y and told everyone to quit asking him for the buff...then he linked the tira's splendor and proceeded to explain that he doesnt need the buff since he has that rune arm. He had the ability to carry it but refused to because he got a rune arm to break his pew pew dr.

TL;DR - Guy was a Huge Bag of D*****ry

Then you have a beef with that individual. Dont make it an ARTY ISSUE!

I play an Arty and yes I carry all of the weapon augmentations.
It makes sense and doesnt take much effort to hit all melee with Silver before parts4 and 5 of Shroud.

[Vengenance]

Then you have a beef with that individual. Dont make it an ARTY ISSUE!

LOL, you say one thing and then completely support what Toastee wrote.

I play an Arty and yes I carry all of the weapon augmentations. It makes sense and doesnt take much effort to hit all melee with Silver before parts4 and 5 of Shroud.

[Raiderone]

LOL, you say one thing and then completely support what Toastee wrote.

No I'm not supporting him against all Arty's.

I'm only pointing out that his beef is with that individual and that most well played Arty's would have the metal augmentation spells.

I dont like when someone has a problem with one person and then assumes its a class thing.

As others have pointed out, not many real good spells to take anyway.

Probably he had the spell just didnt want to cast it!

[furbyoats]

Then you have a beef with that individual. Dont make it an ARTY ISSUE!

I play an Arty and yes I carry all of the weapon augmentations.
It makes sense and doesnt take much effort to hit all melee with Silver before parts4 and 5 of Shroud.

Welcome to the Argo boards...things are a little different around here. You have to watch your step when you make posts like these. If you find your stay on the Argo boards to be confusing and frightening, the exit is on your left.