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    Post Arcanes: please assume your party could use Blur.

    I know you have Blur, I can see it on you.
    You know I don't have Blur, there are no lines around me.
    We both know how useful Blur is.

    Can we please go back to the days where I didn't have to remember to ask for Blur every single quest?
    Even after I do ask for it, newer players seem too shy to make the request.

    Even if you look down on poor lowly melees, do it for your fellow Blue-bars, the healers.
    Very few spells beat the defensive "bang-for-your buck" of Blur.

    I know you're not my buff-bot, and hate me for it if you must, but please just give everyone Blur!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokaboka View Post
    I know you have Blur, I can see it on you.
    You know I don't have Blur, there are no lines around me.
    We both know how useful Blur is.

    Can we please go back to the days where I didn't have to remember to ask for Blur every single quest?
    Even after I do ask for it, newer players seem too shy to make the request.

    Even if you look down on poor lowly melees, do it for your fellow Blue-bars, the healers.
    Very few spells beat the defensive "bang-for-your buck" of Blur.

    I know you're not my buff-bot, and hate me for it if you must, but please just give everyone Blur!
    If you don't ask for it, you won't get it.

    Too many people have guard effects (or for spellcasters Torc/conc-opp) and actually want to get hit.

    I get annoyed with people when they displace me. If they blur me I get even more annoyed. At least the displacement is gone *soon*... the blur is there for the next 20mins - shrine. (i'm a caster with conc-opps and torc, and hate not getting sp back)

    The only time I throw it without being asked is EDA (or any epic without True sight, were the melee is taking a beating) and only on melees, and not blur, usually Displacement for 'end of wave' boss fights.
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    Plenty of players like getting hit. Used to be mainly for Torc/Conc, but there are plenty of other on-hit items now.

    And then there are items like smoke or the mabar cloak. Blur does squat.

    All in all, your suggestion is fail. If *you* want blur, ask I guess. Or make some items.

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    Hmm?

    Yeah, Metalbone doesn't carry Blur. And, no...you don't see it on him. It's on his cloak!

    Mabar's right around the corner - get yourself a Mabar cloak! That'll cover your Blur needs!

    If I have the SPs, I'll be happy to give you a Displacement instead, as I DO carry that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknark View Post
    If you don't ask for it, you won't get it.

    Too many people have guard effects (or for spellcasters Torc/conc-opp) and actually want to get hit.

    I get mad at people when they displace me. If they blur me I get even more annoyed. At least the displacement is gone *soon*... the blur is there for the next 20mins - shrine. (i'm a caster with conc-opps and torc, and hate not getting sp back)

    The only time I throw it without being asked is EDA (or any epic without True sight, were the melee is taking a beating) and only on melees, and not blur, usually Displacement for 'end of wave' boss fights.
    Oh yeah. True.
    But still, there are plenty of players who don't have Torcs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delt View Post
    And then there are items like smoke or the mabar cloak. Blur does squat.
    Dusk docent, Dusk Heart. There are several others I'm sure.

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    I like getting hit. Not because I have any cool effects. I just like getting hit. I guess that is why people call me sick.

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    I can see casting blur on any non blue bar, but even then, there are so many items that give concealment bonuses, that casting it is a waste of SP.

    I will ask if anyone wants, needs, or desires a buff from me. I only need to know once, I'll remember.

    A quick "blur plz" could go a long way.

    But no, too many characters want to get hit to automatically pass blur.

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    On a related note, I like having Merfolk's Blessing cast on me. So can all you arcanes please wise up and stop making everyone you party with request Merfolk's Blessing. It's also obvious that anyone who doesn't ask for it is too meek to ask for it, even though they really do want it and are secretly wondering if they offended you in some way since you didn't cast it on them. I swear some people are just so self-centered....
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    I'd rather grease you to death than give you blur, when I can keep you displaced if you politely ask me to do so.

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    Resists, Invisibility (no, I won't carry scrolls of mass invisi, I've got cluttered inventory already, and I've got better spells in lvl 7 slots), Knock (i like my doors unlocked when attempting to open them), Web (it's goddamn CC with REFLEX save, and shorter cast time than danceball).

    also, there are plenty of items giving perma blur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokaboka View Post
    I know you have Blur, I can see it on you.
    You know I don't have Blur, there are no lines around me.
    We both know how useful Blur is.

    Can we please go back to the days where I didn't have to remember to ask for Blur every single quest?
    Even after I do ask for it, newer players seem too shy to make the request.

    Even if you look down on poor lowly melees, do it for your fellow Blue-bars, the healers.
    Very few spells beat the defensive "bang-for-your buck" of Blur.

    I know you're not my buff-bot, and hate me for it if you must, but please just give everyone Blur!
    Or you could just ask for it.
    The only buffs I give my party when I start a random epic quest is mass prot from elements, rage and haste - all of them being aoe. I don't need my party to be blurred, because they're not going to have aggro anyways.
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    Due to gear availability and ship buffs now available, Casters should not assume a buff is needed or wanted.

    As a Cleric, FvS, Bard, Paladin, Wizard and Party Leader it is my responsibility to ask one question:

    What buffs do people need?

    As a player needing buffs your responsible for responding with a reasonable list of buffs. However, I do retain the right to refuse requested buffs.

    Bottom line - We are not mind readers. If the buff or lack of the buff is desired please make that known.


    As a note, even with Con-Op and Torc, blur is not a bad option as it only reduces 20% of incoming hits, and these items do not proc 100% of the time. These items are more powerful for characters that are in the Hot Zone and less effective on characters that avoid being hit.

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    I have all 3 types, melee, divine, arcane.For my melee I love me some blur.....but if you don't toss it I have a nimble trinket with blur (But that doesn't let me wear my bold trinket so less dps). On my arcanes, it's one of those givens that I toss at the start of a quest and after shrines. And my divine LOVES to see thise little blurry toons running around because that makes my life SO MUCH EASIER.

    On my lowbie wiz I usually say "Let me blur you guys before you run off" before we enter the quest, so if anybody doesn't want blur they can start running off!

    For melees, guards aren't nearly useful enough to WANT to get hit. Not to mention that's just abusing the poor healers sp pool.

    I think if I ever saw anybody refuse blur or say not to blur them, I would let them take care of their own healing! (Providing they didn't have the cloak or trinklet with perma blur)
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    With the number of items now that have blur on them.. Especially the mabar cloak which is very popular.

    And the number of people who get TICKED if you cast blur on them as standard party buffs rotation without thinking/asking first.


    I don't even carry blur anymore on any caster. Frees up a slot. Makes it a non issue too. It's the simplest solution.

    Far easier than asking every single person if they want this or that buff. I got tired of being yelled at for it too.

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    People get the buffs they ask for, plus rage and haste. I like to be hit for proc effects and assume others have procs as well, so if people don't speak up they don't get squat.

    I really don't like spending the first 2 minutes of a raid buffing then have 4-5 people moaning about getting stuff they don't want. So, I stopped and now almost everyone is happier for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delt View Post
    Plenty of players like getting hit. Used to be mainly for Torc/Conc, but there are plenty of other on-hit items now.

    And then there are items like smoke or the mabar cloak. Blur does squat.

    All in all, your suggestion is fail. If *you* want blur, ask I guess. Or make some items.
    I was going to write basically this. I Blur guildies when I know they need it, others can ask. In fact, I usually even check with guildies as there are so many good reasons to not have Blur it's worth asking.

    Edit: Especially on a Wiz with limited SP. On a Sorc I might be more careless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokaboka View Post
    Can we please go back to the days where I didn't have to remember to ask for Blur every single quest?
    If you want Blur, it is your responsibility to ask for it. It is NOT the arcane's responsibility to give you buffs on the off-chance you want it but forgot to ask for it.

    I usually ask other players if they want anything specific after handing out the usual mass buffs. I never just go down the line buffing all eleven people with everything I have memorized. I believe if someone wants a buff from me, they should ask for it.
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    I host raids, like most of the above replies, I say at the begining of the raid "type your buffs". And they do. And it's done. And we go.

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    I havent seen the response yet that outlines how theres some uber level 2 damage spell which justifies the slot therefore carrying blur is a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I havent seen the response yet that outlines how theres some uber level 2 damage spell which justifies the slot therefore carrying blur is a waste.
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