Any 3 for 1 sands scroll of your choice trivializes scrolls

[Stanley_Nicholas]

Ryiah, I didn't mean I thought you specifically were just trying to be contrary. It was clear you actually disagree. That is why I tried to clearly mark that comment as an aside, within brackets. I guess I should have said so more directly.

Oh well, not like my idea has much chance of happening anyway. But I stand by my argument that it would be an improvement, for the reasons I laid out. With the way it is on lama, there will be zero incentive to buy or trade for any desert scroll at all, effectively making them all worthless. That is simply because in all likelihood you will get more than 3 scrolls merely as a by-product of the time it takes just to get the seal and shard of the item you're looking for. And at that point, why even have scrolls at all? That is the purpose of my suggestion - to make it unlikely that you will get the scroll for an item before you get the seal and shard (maintaining a reason for scrolls to even exist), yet make it relatively simple to acquire the scroll once you get the other necessary pieces (reducing the amount of grind).

[Eldried]

I would like to see an additional cost implemented for the 3 to 1 scroll trading, like 20 epic tokens.

That way you can get raid scrolls but it will acctually cost you something. Being able to trade just 3 to 1 is to easy.

[slimkj]

My suggestion does not reintroduce grind.

No, it just introduces a fairly meaningless trade element to the process by restricting something which I think has been relaxed to just about the right level as it is. As you say, you'll kill enough mobs hunting your seal to get the scrolls. Good, that's perfect.

[Ryiah]

With the way it is on lama, there will be zero incentive to buy or trade for any desert scroll at all, effectively making them all worthless. That is simply because in all likelihood you will get more than 3 scrolls merely as a by-product of the time it takes just to get the seal and shard of the item you're looking for. And at that point, why even have scrolls at all?

Personally I'm of the opinion that the scroll system is completely stupid. It doesn't encourage you to run the content. It just encourages you to enter the quest, kill a certain number of the enemies in the entrance area, and then recall. Whereas the other two at the very least encourage you to make it a good deal of the way in (for those pieces that aren't in the end chest) and at that point you might as well finish the rest of the quest.

There are enough quests that they could have put a scroll in one quest's end chest, the shard in another, and the seal in yet another.

[transtemporal]

3 raid scrolls for choice of a raid scroll and 3 non raid scrolls for choice of a non raid scroll does seem more fitting.

/signed. Generally speaking, its the raid gear that everyones really after. The rest of it is secondary.

[Mellkor]

IMO it needs to be trivialized. Spending years of trying to get one item upgraded is just stupid.

[Yokido]

The points of the 'any 3 for 1' trading system in Sands are,
1: To equalize general scroll values.
2: To reduce(not remove) importance of scroll farming.
3: To remove petty trades involving particular scrolls.
4: Since seals and shards for Sands epics are still
quite difficult to attain, along with the raid items,
it was necessary to cut down on the amount of
time it usually takes to epic a sands raid item.

People who used to farm for scrolls will still be able to in the
future, once the stockpiles have dwindled down.
Their deals will be something like this,
-Melee buddy- ' I need a mari scroll, will you farm one out for me? '
-Caster buddy- ' Sure thing, but I want *insert demand here* for my time '
-Melee buddy- ' That sounds reasonable. '

The caster will immediately be willing to embark on the
mission of collecting three scrolls, rather than
spending copious amounts of spare time farming for
scrolls that most of the time won't have any demand.

If everything pans out correctly, caster's will still be
able to farm scrolls for profit, but it will be less
of waiting a month solid for a good one, and more of
getting some results within a day or two.

Three of the same scrolls would be the same thing all
over again.

/not signed

[Glenalth]

I would like to see an additional cost implemented for the 3 to 1 scroll trading, like 20 epic tokens.

That way you can get raid scrolls but it will acctually cost you something. Being able to trade just 3 to 1 is to easy.

I like this concept as well.



edit...

Another idea since these things are being introduced for other raids...
3x scrolls plus a "Mark of Lailat". Assuming that the mark is a guaranteed drop at some point.