Update 12 loot - the level 20 stuff

[Beethoven]

Defender of Siberys has the same +2 max dex as Stalwart Defender.

But they don't get up to +3 from Armor Mastery feats, which can put a SW at (max) +5 MDB vs +2 of the DoS. It's expansive but for an AC build it can be quite significant.

[Musouka]

But they don't get up to +3 from Armor Mastery feats, which can put a SW at (max) +5 MDB vs +2 of the DoS. It's expansive but for an AC build it can be quite significant.

They may not get it, but they get Bulwark of Good.

[oradafu]

Really when it comes to weapons there needs to be THREE "categories" of abilities you can pick on turn in, and then a window should pop and asking what weapon type you want it on.

IE. it should be "One Handed Weapons" "Two Handed Weapons" "Ranged", so you pick the "Ability set" you want, then pick the weapon you want it on. The difference between the "Base" damage of weapons is so minimal its ******** that we are still dealing with all these unique "one of a kind" weapons like this.

Why cant I get a "Dreamspitter" thats a Greatsword and not a Quarterstaff? Would it really be "That" broken? The same can be said for all these weapons, why cant we just get a set of generic buffs that are going to be on there and let people pick their poison when it comes to the type of weapon its applied to?

I think you're partly on the right track, but Matuse pointed out part of the problem with making a Dreamspitter on a better crit weapon. Instead of "One Handed Weapons", "Two Handed Weapons" and "Ranged", there are two options that I see that will make it less gamebreaking: 1) "High Crit Melee", "Low Crit Melee", "Ranged" or 2) "High Crit THF Weapon", "Low Crit THF weapon", "High Crit TWF Weapon", "Low Crit TWF Weapon", "Ranged". My first example might be two simplistic and my might be more complicated.

Additionally, I don't think it should be for every set of weapons or every time. But I would like to see the Devs allow a bit more choice (which this update does seem like they are at least trying) to help players who don't want to be cookie-cutters.

[sephiroth1084]

Where are these items from? Mabar?

[sephiroth1084]

They may not get it, but they get Bulwark of Good.

SD: +3 passive AC, +2 max Dex (heavy armor), +3 max Dex FAM III (+8 AC)
DoS: +2 max Dex (heavy armor), +6 aura (+8 AC)

The two are even...until a paladin is standing next to a SD, where the SD gains another +1 to +6 AC over the paladin, assuming the fighter could fit in enough Dex to fill out his armor.

[thandros]

they should have added Docents and Wraps (

[sirgog]

I think you're partly on the right track, but Matuse pointed out part of the problem with making a Dreamspitter on a better crit weapon. Instead of "One Handed Weapons", "Two Handed Weapons" and "Ranged", there are two options that I see that will make it less gamebreaking: 1) "High Crit Melee", "Low Crit Melee", "Ranged" or 2) "High Crit THF Weapon", "Low Crit THF weapon", "High Crit TWF Weapon", "Low Crit TWF Weapon", "Ranged". My first example might be two simplistic and my might be more complicated.

Additionally, I don't think it should be for every set of weapons or every time. But I would like to see the Devs allow a bit more choice (which this update does seem like they are at least trying) to help players who don't want to be cookie-cutters.

They could fiddle with base damage and crit profiles too - a Greatclub with poor critical profile but top-notch base damage might interest some people over a Falchion with poor base damage. Getting that balance right is tricky and one will be better than the other, but if they are close enough it will be fine.

[oradafu]

They could fiddle with base damage and crit profiles too - a Greatclub with poor critical profile but top-notch base damage might interest some people over a Falchion with poor base damage. Getting that balance right is tricky and one will be better than the other, but if they are close enough it will be fine.

True. This is one of the reason why I believe that the Epic Soul Eater is best quarterstaff for trash, since it contains both an improved base damage and crit profile. So adjusting the crit and/or damage on some weapons would help some players because of the inherent perks of a build (for example, quarterstaves for acrobats or dwarven axes for dwarves) or because of flavor from personal tastes (such as warhammers and darts).

As you said, the balancing might be a bit tricky depending on what effects are on the weapons, but people will choice what they like if there's not too drastic a difference. Look at greensteel as an example... From what I've seen it's probably a wash between the number of GS Khopesh and GS Rapiers. GS Greataxes probably outnumber GS Falchions (unless a Paladin) and GS Greatswords (unless a WF FvS) but not so much that it's the only choice people make.

[sephiroth1084]

Personally, I think the only items that should be getting their crit profiles adjusted are second or third string weapons like named longswords, and then only to make them equivalent to things like scimitars (not khopeshes). Things like the ESoS are a mistake (better crit profile than any other weapon in its class), and the devs should be working just as hard to not make mistakes like that as they should be in turning out worthwhile items.

[KookieKobold]

This update needs more docents.

That is all.

This update may have Docents.

That is all.

[UrbanPyro]

Deleted.

[stripe1001]

This update may have Docents.

That is all.

any word on the bows/repeaters/wraps/warhammers/ect. that the folks in this thread were asking about?

not being a smart alec, but if there are more options that havent been shown on the Lam yet I am curious as to what they might be.

come on, inquiring minds wanna know.

[sirgog]

This update may have Docents.

That is all.

Good. Not having them would just be downright indocent.

[Stillwaters]

Good. Not having them would just be downright indocent.

Shudder - almost neg rep worthy man :P

[Auran82]

Shudder - almost neg rep worthy man :P

Man, docent sirgog learn.

[Tid12]

Epic Ring of the Stalker
Ring

Tier 1
Manslayer: Your melee attacks against Humanoid targets gain Vorpal
Etheral
Seeker 4
Exceptional Sneak Attack 2

Tier 2
Seeker 6
Etheral upgraded to Ghostly

Tier 3
Exceptional Sneak Attack upgraded to 3
Add Colorless Augment Slot


Epic Bracers of Wind
Bracers

Tier 1
Superior Electric Lore
Blurry
Air Guard
Dodge +3
50%/level 9 Magnetism

Tier 2
Add 60%/level 6 Magnetism
Add Inherent Electric Resist 10

Tier 3
Add Colorless Augment Slot

I really like these! My air savant will be happy to replace his bracers of the glacier! Kudos to the devs!

[sirgog]

Shudder - almost neg rep worthy man :P

Would that be an appropriate pun-ishment?



(sorry, couldn't resist)

[TiranBlade]

This update may have Docents.

That is all.

Wow, anyone else notice Kookie pulled a time vortex thingy?

EDIT: nvm, see it happening all over forum, hmmm.....

[Asmodeus451]

Wow, anyone else notice Kookie pulled a time vortex thingy?

Bowties are cool............

[NexEverto]

Bowties are cool............

Fezes are cool (too)...