You need this DC to join

[Ilindith]

This is for all you people asking for certain spell DCs to join quests. Because I'm tired of it, and it just happened again 5 minutes ago.

I was asked, out of nowhere, if I wanted to join a LoB. But that I needed a 42 enchant DC if I wanted to join.

Intelligence:
18 Base (Warforged)
5 Level ups
6 Item
3 Enhancement
2 Capstone
2 Ship
2 Tome
3 Exceptionnal
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41 Total with the gear I have (15 mod)

Let's see what enchant DC I can have with that now:
10 Base
15 Int modifier
9 Heigntened Spell
1 Spell focus
1 Greater spell focus
1 Archmage secondary focus
2 Enchantment crafted item
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39 Total

Yep, 39. It can get higher, yes, but let's see what it would take...


Let's add gear I DO NOT have for intelligence

41 Current total intelligence
1 Epic 7 int item
2 +4 tome
1 Litany
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45 Total (+17 mod)

That would bump my DC to 41, assuming some very time consuming gear farming. Awww, still not at 42 though, guess I should have never taken necro as my main focus!

Archmage main focus enchant
1 more DC
__________
42 yayyyyyyyyyy

So yeah, you expect me to have 42 or higher DCs to join your raids? epic quests? epic raids? It's ridiculous, thank you. It's not that I didn't try to have a good DC in it, I took 2 feats and enhancements to make it better but seriously, get real with your numbers. You can't reach 40+ easily.

Here's what it sounds like.
LOL GET EVERYTHING FROM WHAT YOU WANT TO RUN BEFORE YOU WANT TO RUN IT WITH ME
/facepalm

[Munkenmo]

you could always join the epic / raiding channel and avoid getting asked that question.


... oh wait, apparently not.

ps. you forgot yugo pots.

[Munkenmo]

wizard past life chosen feat then for +1 dc's to all schools

That besides the point though, I agree, the question and in this case expectation can be rather stupid. I've taken the stance I won't give out my dc's and just won't group with people who don't accept that.

As you know it makes for decent drama but everyone seems to be happier for it.

[dmslasher]

ok i don't see why ppl are so annoying about dc's i mean i know the higher your dc's the better but so far ive had no troubles with my 40 enchantment dc's on my wiz ok sure the 41 and 42 makes it almost no fail but its not like you can jusr cast a second spell to hold the ones you missed. and im not shy about using a POT if i really eed to to make up for the extra casting of the spells. and granted i havent ran LOB yet but i doubt all the mobs in the need 42 or you're screwed. to me its just ppl being eliteist jerks now i could see if you want the caster to have over a 39 cuz thats very easily abtainable

[Ilindith]

you could always join the epic / raiding channel and avoid getting asked that question.


... oh wait, apparently not.

ps. you forgot yugo pots.

-50% fort, no thanks.

wizard past life chosen feat then for +1 dc's to all schools

That besides the point though, I agree, the question and in this case expectation can be rather stupid. I've taken the stance I won't give out my dc's and just won't group with people who don't accept that.

As you know it makes for decent drama but everyone seems to be happier for it.

Can't get it this life. Next time around.

[Vellrad]

42? Lol.
Enchantment? Lol^2

[dmslasher]

im not quite sure what your missing but it look like your missing something cuz i have a 40 dc and my caster is WF ill have to look to see what is cuz i know i got 39 dc and get 40 with ship buffs. also im not sure what you have on your crafted enchanment item but somthing i found that is a nice item is scepter of mad trickery shown here-->http://ddowiki.com/page/Scepter_of_Mad_Trickery
iuntill i get the staff from abbot its gonna be my main hand weapon and its easy to get drops as an end reward.
so but getting +3 or +4 tomes take a long time to get and requires you to do the raids tat you mention they want high dc'cs for

[elricken]

High enchant dc is so pre u9.

[nolaureltree000]

i generally dont pug with my wizard because my CC sucks despite being a second life, past life wizard, with a decent amount of gear. its partially my fault because i went necro focus, built the character for scroll farming, and am pretty rusty at the whole CC thing.

but people seem to still want the whole mass hold, beat on mobs, mass heal, mass hold, beat on mobs, mass heal, etc method while running epics. no matter that i can insta-kill all those annoying archers and casters pretty easily (and thereby out dps a lot of melees and save on healing sp), but i know better to try to join a pug saying 'hey i cant CC, but my necro is pretty good. youll need another caster if you want really solid mass holds and stuff, but i can bring a lot of offensive casting and insta-kills'.

insta-kills are a form of CC when used tactically and it brings high DPS with it. i realize a lot of epics do require some CC various situations and it makes things run more smoothly a lot of the time, but let me fill a dps role!

[dennisck2]

The request was simple. 42 dc. If you don't have it, don't join. Or start your own group to run the quest and go with your 39 dc. Going to the forums to cry about it will accomplish nothing.

[Vellrad]

The request was simple. 42 dc. If you don't have it, don't join. Or start your own group to run the quest and go with your 39 dc. Going to the forums to cry about it will accomplish nothing.

As stupid request as 'bring 2 GS items, GS weapon, and 3 epic items, or GTFO from my norm lv19-20 shrouds'
If he want, he can even post caster only dwarf with 600+HP and 45 DC, sure, but until we can click somewhere to hide idiotic LFMs, why should we accept spam in LFM pannel?
And maybe people reading LFMs like this will think 'God, I don't have to have DC42 to join epics, I though my character is worthless, and won't delete it and quit game.'
Allowing BS LFMs like this, will only make people think that this is the only way to go.

[Ilindith]

The request was simple. 42 dc. If you don't have it, don't join. Or start your own group to run the quest and go with your 39 dc. Going to the forums to cry about it will accomplish nothing.

The request being simple doesn't make it any less ********.

[herzkos]

The request was simple. 42 dc. If you don't have it, don't join. Or start your own group to run the quest and go with your 39 dc. Going to the forums to cry about it will accomplish nothing.

respectfully suggest and advise you re-read the 3rd sentence of the OP.
he didn't click join, he was asked and then told the requirements.

[MrWizard]

some people believe they have to have a certain set of people in the group with specific tools and requirements.

just do not group with those people, I doubt you would like the stringent retentive way of doing a 5 minute quest with them anyway.

wonder what the other 5 people are going to do if you have 42 DC...? sit around and watch you solo things?

"I got this uber toon, he is so great, but he cannot do a quest unless there is a caster with 42 DC with him....so, maybe he is a bit gimply, but he is fun!!!"

[dennisck2]

I didn't say I agreed with the lfm, or the request in it. All I said was that taking it to the forums helps not at all. When you see those lfms/get those tells, say no thanks and add them to your 'friends' list. It will be better for you in the long run, right? Besides, believing half the garbage that 90% of the player base says is 'required' is the wrong way to go anyway. Sorry my post was so rude. I should have worded it better. Long day/no coffee makes me cranky.

[dennisck2]

some people believe they have to have a certain set of people in the group with specific tools and requirements.

just do not group with those people, I doubt you would like the stringent retentive way of doing a 5 minute quest with them anyway.

wonder what the other 5 people are going to do if you have 42 DC...? sit around and watch you solo things?

"I got this uber toon, he is so great, but he cannot do a quest unless there is a caster with 42 DC with him....so, maybe he is a bit gimply, but he is fun!!!"

This is what I was saying, albeit in a less polite way. Again, my apologies.

[scottmike0]

all i can say is a 40 dc seems best fitting for most epics that i run even though one of my characters is a pale-master he still can cc.

40 dc is fine for epics
41-45 is like insane to get either
A: your very well geared
B: just take 3 past life's(of arcane) and solo on your own i mean really there does not seem to be a problem soloing anything with 41-45
since all you do is just auto kill(not counting undead)

[Vellrad]

(not counting undead)

cough cough
Undeath to death
cough cough

[Solmage]

If you play a melee you're expected (and for the harder epic quests/raids nearly required) to have VERY good gear which is very time consuming to farm. Guess what, same if you play a caster. If you don't feel like grinding the gear, then stick to normal and perhaps even hard difficulties.

Necro DC: 45
Enchant DC: 43
Hitpoints: 550 (could be higher)
Race: Drow
Standing Int: 50

Total time to get there: 9 months of 1-2 hours a day play, around 5 days a week. It's not exactly asking for the world to be able to be an effective caster in epics.

(PS: If this WAS for a LoB norm or hard then NVM =) but I'm assuming it was elite or epic)

[Galeria]

Interesting.

So what is the hard-to-get standard gear a melee must have to join an epic these days?