18 cleric/2 rogue UMD evasion 34 pt build

[zulaag]

I am looking for opinions on this build for end game. I deliberately took the last 2 lvls as rogue otherwise UMD wouldn't make it to 44 (with full gear, GH and feat) . at 20th level, with current gear, I can get his reflex save to 26. 29 once I finish the 2nd greensteel piece. 30 if I change out mobile spellcasting for another save feat.

let me know what ya think. Good or bad.

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zaktar 
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 196
Spell Points: 1573 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 15
Will: 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             10                 10                   10
Dexterity            14                 16                   18
Constitution         10                 12                   12
Intelligence         10                 12                   12
Wisdom               18                 25                   29
Charisma             14                 16                   18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               2                 10                   10
Bluff                 2                  4                    4
Concentration         4                 22                   22
Diplomacy             6                 25                   25
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                  4                    4
Heal                  4                  9                    9
Hide                  2                  4                    4
Intimidate            2                  4                    4
Jump                  0                  0                    0
Listen                4                  9                    9
Move Silently         2                  4                    4
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  1                    1
Search                0                  1                    1
Spot                  4                  9                    9
Swim                  0                  0                    0
Tumble                n/a                5                    5
Use Magic Device      4                 27                   30

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Casting
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mobile Spellcasting
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+10)
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+6)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III

[Arshan]

I know it's hard to deal the stats points with a build that requires so much everything, but 10 con is definitely too low.
I know you are going for umd, but if you're looking for a evasion splash, just go for monk. More feats, and a decent synergy with the cleric's wisdom... Oh well you won't reach any decent AC, but can be cool for leveling.
In your case, more feats (with monk) could do more thoughness, then more HP (that you obviously lack of).

Almost any 20 cleric can break the 500 HP pretty easily, so a splash can't just divide your HP almost by half ^^ Not affordable, it would take more than it brings

Another point, if you want UMD, just figure out that most of the people use umd only for heal scrolls and stuff... You're a cleric, you don't need that kind of UMD, so maybe you wanna drop it

[JOTMON]

Agreed,

With Gear and as Human(skill boost)you can achieve Decent UMD as a cross class, but really what do you want UMD for. As a Cleric you have most of the things people want UMD for other than Teleport,Fireshield,stoneskin and a few other semi-usefull scrolls.

I would recommend going the Monk route. Drop Wis to 16, First Level Monk, 2nd around 13+ . Use waterstance for the +2 to Wis, increase con to 14.

You can reach good AC with a monk splash, mine are self buffed 75ish AC and have great saves. The AC is useless in epics, but works well everywhere else, evasion is good anywhere.

The only real reason to take rogue over Monk is for trap skills. In which case you put 2 more skill points in Int, take Rogue at level 1(for max distributuion of skill points) and the 2nd rogue level around level 13+ around the time you really want evasion after you get heal/BB and are doing Gianthold.

[zulaag]

Thanks for the info. Yes, a monk would be more optimal. I guess I would like to find out if the build is still viable for end game ( raid or epic). The reason I went with high UMD is because I have a tentancy to solo when I get bored with raids. I like to try high level quests on hard solo or other crazy things that i shouldn't be trying No risk, no reward!! the versatily would come in very handy.

I have been playing with the char builder and I haven't been able to get a 20 cleric above 300 hps. not including gear. Not sure how you got 500hps. Please let me know. I would like to find out if I am missing something.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Thanks for the info. Yes, a monk would be more optimal. I guess I would like to find out if the build is still viable for end game ( raid or epic). The reason I went with high UMD is because I have a tentancy to solo when I get bored with raids. I like to try high level quests on hard solo or other crazy things that i shouldn't be trying No risk, no reward!! the versatily would come in very handy.

I have been playing with the char builder and I haven't been able to get a 20 cleric above 300 hps. not including gear. Not sure how you got 500hps. Please let me know. I would like to find out if I am missing something.

Gear is where most of the HP comes from. However, you should always make at least a 6 point investment into constitution on just about any build (that would leave you with 14 constitution on a human). That's 40 HP or ~+10% HP at a very cheap cost. 8 strength is fine for a TR build and you can sacrifice a little bit of charisma for it too (assuming that you need the intelligence for skills).

UMD is nice for fireshield scrolls, displacement scrolls, overcoming alignment restrictions, teleport scrolls and a couple of other things but don't gimp your character trying to get it on a cleric.

I'd say you want at least 30 reflex without huge buffs for evasion to be valuable. Half-elf with paladin dilettante or using a second monk feat for lightning reflexes is a good idea. Even then, it's a tough call between whether evasion or Divine Intervention is more valuable (particularly considering specific quest mechanics).

[Arshan]

Thanks for the info. Yes, a monk would be more optimal. I guess I would like to find out if the build is still viable for end game ( raid or epic). The reason I went with high UMD is because I have a tentancy to solo when I get bored with raids. I like to try high level quests on hard solo or other crazy things that i shouldn't be trying No risk, no reward!! the versatily would come in very handy.

I have been playing with the char builder and I haven't been able to get a 20 cleric above 300 hps. not including gear. Not sure how you got 500hps. Please let me know. I would like to find out if I am missing something.

Well, assuming a 300 base HP :
Con + 7 item + 3 exc + 2 tome <= 120 more HP
GFL <= 30 more HP
Thoughness <= 20 more HP
GS HP item <= 45 more HP

Brings you to 515 HP easy pretty easily, without counting ship buffs, rage spell...

+ thoughness enhancements/feats

[voxson5]

I have been playing with the char builder and I haven't been able to get a 20 cleric above 300 hps. not including gear. Not sure how you got 500hps. Please let me know. I would like to find out if I am missing something.

Well... lets see. 1st life human cleric ay?

020 Heroic Durability
160 d8 class levels
040 Base CON of 14
022 Toughness Feat
030 Human toughness enhancements
-----
272 Naked HP @ 20

Lets add in some fairly easy gear:
020 Minos Helm or Thaarsk(sp?) bracelet
030 Greater False Life item
060 Basic +6 CON item
020 Eat a +2 CON tome
-----
402

Lets grind a bit more:
045 Green Steel HP item
040 Unlocked ToD ring with total +3 exceptional CON & +1 from Human Adaptability CON (+4 total)
040 Yugo CON pot
----
522

Lets grind like crazy:
020 Eat a +4 CON tome
040 5 piece Abashai Set (+3 Profane CON, makes it uneven, +7 CON on cloak makes it +4 in total)
-----
582

Add in favor rewards:
010 Argo Favour
----
592

Add in a Guildship:
020 CON +2 airship buff
----
612

Spells:
020 Rage (cast by arcane or drink a pot)
----
632

Silly stuff (stops casting):
040 Madstone Rage clicky
040 Double Madstone
----
712

More unsystainable sillyness:
080 Max proc Scouge Choker (Blood Rage)
020 House D CON +2 pot
020 You started with 15 base CON & drank a +3 House D CON pot (for +2 extra CON)
----
832

You have too many TP:
020 Store +2 CON pot
----
852



And if you can fit it in anywhere: +5-20 HP from guild augment crystals

**edit - forgot things**

[ayondie]

I personally have leveled this toon to 20 and find it a blast being able to hit 20 and hit an AC without any real gear of 65.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=164323

I plan to, once i get greetsteel stuff done to reincarnate into his 2.0 version as a human.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=292100