Definitive 116 Haggle Breakdown

[Yan_PL]

before reading this, be aware that this is purely theoretical exercise. By no means I recommend going for this build, just posting it cause it's possible to get so much haggle.

Race/Class Independent Direct Haggle bonuses:
+15 Competence Item - Epic Cloak of Silver Concord preferred.
+6 exceptional bonuses to cha skills, greensteel accessory
+5 enchantment bonus - house K shipbuff
+4 Greater heroism buff
+4 guild large slot necklace with crystal of haggling
+3 House Deneith collectable alchemical bonus from potions of eagle's skill
+2 good luck item = epic ring of the buccaneer tier 3.
=39 self buffed/geared build Independent bonuses

+5 Moment of Clarity buff from friendly monk
+2 Walk of the Sun buff from other friendly monk
+2 Inspire Competence buff from friendly bard
=9 friend-buffed build independent

+3 skill focus: haggle
+2 negotiator feat
+2 completionist
+1 Past Life: Bardic Dilettante
+1 Past Life: Sneak of Shadows
=9 feats

=57 so far.

Charisma Race/Class independent bonuses
18 Base
5 levelups
4 tome of leadership and influence
7 item (epic cloak of silver concord)
3 exceptional (+1 exceptional and +2 exceptional stacking for +3 toghether)
3 [url=http://ddowiki.com/page/Potion_of_Influence]alchemical[url]
4 profane abishai cookies bonus
2 completionist
2 yugoloth potion
2 DDO Store lasting potions
2 Charisma shipbuff
=52 charisma = 21 cha mod

78 so far

Drow 19 Rogue/1 Bard:
23 Ranks
+1 from drow +2 base cha
+5 Rogue Skill Action Boost
+4 Rogue haggle enhancements
+4 Rogue special feats: Skill Mastery
+1 Focusting Chant bard lvl 1 self-cast-only spell.
=38 rank+racial+class bonuses

Full bard does not get skill boosts nor skill mastery feats. Drow does not get those too.
Human Full bard would be +1 adaptability, +3 bard Cha, +2 bard capstone = +6 charisma = +3 haggle
but it would lose +2 drow charisma and +4 skill mastery feats = +5 haggle.


Comparison to this breakdown giving 106:
+7 cha item adds +1 haggle to that build due to rounding.
you can get up to +4 cha bonus from profane typed bonuses (abishai destroyer buff that you get from eating all colors of abishai cookies in short amount of time)
Drow 19 Rogue/1 Bard with skill mastery taken at lvls 10, 13, 16, and 19 is 2 haggle ahead of Pure Human Bard.
That breakdown does not count +5 insight bonus from monk Moment of Clarity move. It only lasts 10 seconds tho.

[Yan_PL]

According to DDO Wiki page about haggle, 116 haggle score would mean +29% of base item price earned from selling items to vendors;
so, selling prices in % of base item price at vendors:
39% normal vendors without reputation quest
41.5% normal vendors with reputation quest
44% when selling to brokers

Buying: (1-116/200)*Markup=0.42*Markup
50.4% normal vendors without rep quest
49.14% normal Vendors with rep quest
52.5% lowest brokers.

Tipping point (point at which you sell for higher than buy) would be 126 haggle for Vendors with rep quest and lowest brokers, 130 at highest lvl brokers. It is currently unachievable.

[TheDearLeader]

Human Bard 20, calculated out.

Charisma Race/Class independent bonuses
18 Base
5 levelups
4 tome of leadership and influence
7 item (epic cloak of silver concord)
3 exceptional (+1 exceptional and +2 exceptional stacking for +3 together)
3 alchemical (House D Potion of Influence +3)
4 profane abishai cookies bonus
2 completionist
2 yugoloth potion
2 DDO Store lasting potions
2 Charisma shipbuff
3 Bard Charisma III
1 Human Adaptability
2 Capstone
=58 charisma = 24 cha mod

81 so far

Human 20 Bard
23 Ranks
+5 Human Versatility: Skills
+4 Bard Haggle enhancements
+1 Focusting Chant Bard lvl 1 self-cast-only spell.
=33 rank+racial+class bonuses

114 Total

So yeah. Looks like you lose 2 Haggle being a 20 Human Bard. Just wanted to actually put the full calc up there.

[TheDearLeader]

there, fixed math for ya :P Pure Human bards have 4 more charisma than Drow 19rog/1bard, but rogues get 4 skill mastery feats to compensate, so rogues will be 2 haggle points ahead.

Herp Derp. Fixed.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Nice job folks! And who says the economy is bad!!

[dTarkanan]

Unless I missed something, you're missing the Marketplace shield from chronoscope- it gives a +3 enhancement bonus to haggle, which should stack with the +15 competence item unless they booched something up.
EDIT:
http://ddowiki.com/page/Battered_Marketplace_Shield

[KillEveryone]

Last I read about moment of clarity is it isn't supposed to be able to be used in public instances, only private. It is also very short so you won't be able to make it to the brokers in time to use it.

The Wiki isn't totally correct in the description and need to be updated. I read the description in game on my monk.

The +5 haggle ship buff I don't think stacks with the marketplace shield. When I got the buff then equipped my shield, the haggle numbers didn't change.

[Book_O_Dragons]

Last I read about moment of clarity is it isn't supposed to be able to be used in public instances, only private. It is also very short so you won't be able to make it to the brokers in time to use it.

The Wiki isn't totally correct in the description and need to be updated. I read the description in game on my monk.

The +5 haggle ship buff I don't think stacks with the marketplace shield. When I got the buff then equipped my shield, the haggle numbers didn't change.

I've noticed that too.

[Dendrix]

The ship one is an Enhancement bonus, so the same as the shield, which is also an enhancement bonus.

[Boombastic]

The ship one is an Enhancement bonus, so the same as the shield, which is also an enhancement bonus.

the marketplace shield gives a competence bonus, not enhancement

[TheDearLeader]

the marketplace shield gives a competence bonus, not enhancement

Every +Skill item in game (such as a Haggle +15 Necklace) is also a competence bonus. So, if that's true, then it wouldn't stack with *that*.

[Boombastic]

Every +Skill item in game (such as a Haggle +15 Necklace) is also a competence bonus. So, if that's true, then it wouldn't stack with *that*.

oh wow......this is why i should stay off the forums when i just wake up, i make n00blet posts like that :/