Please don't let anyone feel guilty while playing DDO

[Absolute-Omniscience]

But I do know what I will do when I am repeating this quest. I just can't pretend I don't know anything when I kill them.

No offense, but if you have this strong of a reaction towards morality in a video game, maybe you shouldn't play?

A great deal of people have given you several valid suggestions - and if you can't do it because you think it's wrong (completely ignoring Roleplaying), it would probably be best if you follow the above advice. Imo anyways.

[UltraMonk2]

If the plot of this quest remains unchanged, I certainly won't do it again after I TR because my conscience doesn't allow me to kill GOOD-aligned beings.

But it is ok to kill non good aligned beings?

You are friggin nuts.

Please stay away from me, far far away. You are a very dangerous individual.

[Kaytis]

The whole game boils down to killing things and taking their stuff. D&D has always been more or less that. It's probably best not to dwell upon the morality of it.

[Feylina]

Even if that concept applies, you still hit them badly.



But I do know what I will do when I am repeating this quest. I just can't pretend I don't know anything when I kill them.

Did you even read my post? i address that. Were you really roleplaying then your character would never have any reason to go back to running with the devils after the first run as he has killed everything.

It's apparent to me the only part of this quest you want to truly roleplay is having a bug up your bum about the morality of the situation. troll post is troll.

[Wizzly_Bear]

You still haven't answered my question from the previous thread btw Ian...

How do you feel about physically assaulting an unarmed half-naked woman? From your quest log it seems that you rather enjoy it...

[BoBach]

Hi,

I would only like to remark that we are not in the forgotten realms plot where all is pink with flowers around. This setting is darker: betrayal, deception (in this case done by the tiefling), political actions of the different houses.

Therefore we love it, because we are not in a fairy (always good toons against evil mobs).

Regards Bo.

[Chrasch]

Did you even read my post? i address that. Were you really roleplaying then your character would never have any reason to go back to running with the devils after the first run as he has killed everything.

It's apparent to me the only part of this quest you want to truly roleplay is having a bug up your bum about the morality of the situation. troll post is troll.

Don't hate him Fey. He's being a good sport, has seen the light, and is now helping me find more reasons the Devs should add evil alignment to the game. Aren't ya Ian? Buddy?

C'mon Ian. Let out your dark side. We can play the Star Wars Imperial March and teabag all the kobold corpses we leave behind. XD

[oradafu]

I can't wait until we get the animal cruelty thread going...

[Scraap]

I can't wait until we get the animal cruelty thread going...

Oh, there's nothing cruel about a few thousand hearts of hens. They can't feel a thing anymore, right?

[Wizzly_Bear]

I can't wait until we get the animal cruelty thread going...

Please, dear God, tell me you don't hurt the wittle animals...

[blerkington]

Hi,

Ian, here we are again with you asking that the game be changed to fit your unusual viewpoint. I would think that the message is fairly clear that most of the other people posting in your threads do not agree with your ideas for changes which are morally-based.

My advice is that you pick one of the following:

1. Don't play the quest again. And maybe consider destroying your evil greensteel items too, to atone for the dreadful things your character did, again and again, to get them. Profiting from an evil activity is a form of evil in itself, right?

2. Take the view that this is a game, not reality, and what you are doing is rearranging pixels on the screen, not actually committing an evil act.

3. Accept the roleplaying explanations offered above (your character is fooled by the illusion, 'killed' extraplanar creatures are sent back to their home plane rather than dying permanently, etc).

I would have more sympathy for your point of view, if not for your requests, if there was some more moral consistency to your objections.

There is a great deal of morally dubious activity in the game, which in my view contributes to its flavour. It adds some depth, and allows the players to make choices.

You could make those choices too, rather than insisting the game be changed to allow you to make the choice you want with a clear conscience. Or you could try to understand that what you're worried about isn't as wicked as you think it is.

The basic premise of this game is your characters perform large amounts of killing to gain personal power and wealth. I (and other people) have asked this question before; does this worry you? If not, why not?

Thanks.

[Hobgoblin]

he goes off on this quest and not a word about purge the heritics?

and what about von 3? you are kill evil drow and a not quite evil construct to save an evil vampire, so you can save an evil dragon who is trying to do good? make sense to you?

or von 4. you are helping to save a man who creates living thinking creatures.... and then makes slaves of them.
again with evil/good dragon thing.

hahahaha

interesting.

[Antheal]

Just assume those Eladrin are Lawful Stupid.

[Scraap]

he goes off on this quest and not a word about purge the heritics?

He's going down the list one by one. See the above about his next thread being shroud.

[mournbladereigns]

This thread is to focus on a raid flagging quest: Running with the Devils.

For those who are still unaware that you will perform unethical behaviors in this quest, here is a brief explanation of the quest:

At quest beginning, you will see a man dresses a robe of The Twelve. He tells you that one of his companion is imprisoned by Eladrins in this dungeon and he ask you to rescue his companion. Then he casts a strange aura on you and claims the aura will help you rescuing his companion. However, it is exactly the aura (evil aura) which make those GOOD-aligned Eladrins attack you when they sense the aura on you. You then have no choice but to kill lots of GOOD-aligned Eladrins in order to advance the quest. At the end, the man you rescue turns out to be a tiefling who disguises himself as one of The Twelve member.

So, the main problem of this quest is players have to kill many GOOD-aligned Eladrins to complete the quest. That's actually unacceptable to people who care about things they do are ethical or not.

If the plot of this quest remains unchanged, I certainly won't do it again after I TR because my conscience doesn't allow me to kill GOOD-aligned beings.

However, this quest is not a non-flagging quest like Purge the Heretics or Wrath of the Flame which we can choose not to do them. This quest is a raid flagging quest. If you don't do it, you can't do the raid.

Therefore, I suggest that the plot of this quest has some modifications. There can be an optional which let us use the Diplomacy skill to advance the quest without killing any Eladrin. Or even better, remove the must-kill-Eladrins plot so all player won't commit unethical behaviors, no matter aware or unaware.

No actual pixels where harmed in the completion of This quest. Your stilling going to the outer plane of ur choice! Or you could go play Fable or somethingz

[Memnir]

Please, dear God, tell me you don't hurt the wittle animals...

Eh, the Halflings deserve it... little mongrels.

[Hobgoblin]

He's going down the list one by one. See the above about his next thread being shroud.

ahh. so we have about 10 more threads before we hit the vons?

but doesnt p come before s?

So shouldnt purge come before shroud?


Ah (head explodes)

[siver]

That's because they sense evil aura on players.

That's a very good point. They sense "evil aura" on players.

That gives them EVERY right to assault and murder you without provocation!

Actually, wait a moment. No, it doesn't. You were there on a mission of diplomacy. You attempted to speak with the Eladrin. Rather than listen, they saw "Evil" and attacked you immediately. Nothing you try can stop them from attacking, as they ignore your protests. Therefore, you are permitted to defend yourself, even against "good" creatures like the Eladrin.

Of course, that doesn't even consider the whole "shades of gray" thing Eberron prefers to use. As in, a paladin, following orders from the silver flame, would be considered doing a lawful good act for going in and exterminating the people in Purge the Heretics, even though they aren't evil. In fact, I think that is why there are quests like these, to help to demonstrate the fact that sometimes things aren't pure black and white in Eberron. After all, if it were so simple, any paladin who even attacked one of the characters in Purge the Heretics would instantly lose their powers (that's not such a difficult thing to code, you know).

[Wizzly_Bear]

Eh, the Halflings deserve it... little mongrels.

Lol

I can't wait to hear his explanation for Big Top...course, I don't think his psyche can handle the dichotomy.

[mournbladereigns]

Please, dear God, tell me you don't hurt the wittle animals...

Yeah, yeah, say that when then Xen'Drik First Eco-Terrorist Druids come to sacrifice you!