New DDO Store item: BtC to BtA conversion

[Chaos000]

The objection is that players who have absolutely no desire for that item on that character would no longer want to put items up for /roll because a BtA conversion option because they could potentially pass that item to another character that they already have or that they might potentially roll up in the future.

I apologize. My impression was that they would also object to players who have absolutely no desire for that item to leave it in the chest and/or loot it and vendor trash it.

I think the point I was trying to make is that if an item drops for a player, they should be entitled to do whatever they want with it without being vilified as being a horrible person so long as they are not deliberately doing so to grief other players.

The intention of BtA conversion is to allow for characters affected by mechanic changes in the game to be deleted without losing the items certain players have spent years acquiring. I have a 2nd Anniversary cake in the bank of one of my characters that I would love to delete, he's got the fom boots, a torc, titan gloves and a sword of shadows from way back when.

[Zenthalas]

No bad idea. Work for the gear.

[smatt]

No.....

[Chaos000]

No bad idea. Work for the gear.

Seriously? would you TR if you didn't get to keep all the *stuff* you worked for?

My point is that work has already been done. Someone else is proposing that 20th item raid loot lists be BtA (BtC on equip so that if you get a bum list you could pass to a different character)

Less grind. More enjoyment from game.

[Musouka]

Seriously? would you TR if you didn't get to keep all the *stuff* you worked for?

My point is that work has already been done. Someone else is proposing that 20th item raid loot lists be BtA (BtC on equip so that if you get a bum list you could pass to a different character)

Less grind. More enjoyment from game.

Here's something I would like to see at the turbine store taking a Bound to Character item and converting it to Bound to Account.

From what I get, your point is to be able to run a raid one time, grab something for an alt and transfer it over. I don't see the work already being done if you do that.

[Astraghal]

This would completely destroy all raid loot sharing...

That's not a valid reason to support a game mechanic or not. Raid loot wasn't meant to be shared. If you're with friends and they don't need something so they pass it over to you then that's fine. But that's a bonus of having friends in the game, it should have nothing to do with the loot mechanics of pick up groups.

I've seen this type of misguided argument used a lot and it's completely invalid, in the same way that the idea that casters should be more powerful than melee in an MMO is a logical anomaly. Certain ideas might appeal to a small cross section of the community based on whatever particular author or fantasy genre they are currently reading, but saying no to something because you want more chances of making someone else's loot your loot doesn't cut it.

An increase in pug activity will lead to more opportunities to group with people who might be willing to pass on loot they don't require.

[Chaos000]

From what I get, your point is to be able to run a raid one time, grab something for an alt and transfer it over. I don't see the work already being done if you do that.

How many times does a person get the raid loot that they want the first time they run a raid? For players that have been around for a while they have tons of raid loot already acquired sitting around gathering dust.

If you solo the demon queen for the challenge on your sorc and happen to get a torc that you are already wearing on your character I really don't have any qualms if there was an in-game ability to make that rare drop not be a source of annoyance at the game.

There's a cost involved. Turbine gets money, players doing the transfers are happy, less time spent grinding is the point.

[Musouka]

How many times does a person get the raid loot that they want the first time they run a raid? For players that have been around for a while they have tons of raid loot already acquired sitting around gathering dust.

If you solo the demon queen for the challenge on your sorc and happen to get a torc that you are already wearing on your character I really don't have any qualms if there was an in-game ability to make that rare drop not be a source of annoyance at the game.

There's a cost involved. Turbine gets money, players doing the transfers are happy, less time spent grinding is the point.

You're not addressing the fact that some people DO get lucky and pull it on the first run. This would greatly affect those who manage to get it sooner than those who don't.

This leans very much toward 'pay to win'

[herzkos]

I don't like the idea.
If necessary, turbine should re-evaluate which items are BTC and BTA but I don't think
they should ever come up with a mechanism to unbind even if it reverts to BTC on equip.
Mebbe it's just my p2p background and indoctrination that one does not "give" an
"artifact" (or other similarly powerful item) away to another character simply because they
are controlled by the same PC.

For the same reason, i'm not all that heavily into twinking characters but meh, that's my playstyle

[Chaos000]

You're not addressing the fact that some people DO get lucky and pull it on the first run. This would greatly affect those who manage to get it sooner than those who don't.

This leans very much toward 'pay to win'

If the number of people that do get lucky and pull it on the first run outnumbers the unlucky people who have run it 20+ runs without pulling the item in question I can concede to your point.

If it's pay to grind less and enjoy the game more I'm all for it.

A buddy of mine who is an extremely casual player just bought a supreme +3 tome. He's been around since head start (always as p2p) and never ran a single raid, I don't begrudge him the joy of having decent stats despite him having a different playstyle then mine.

[Musouka]

If the number of people that do get lucky and pull it on the first run outnumbers the unlucky people who have run it 20+ runs without pulling the item in question I can concede to your point.

If it's pay to grind less and enjoy the game more I'm all for it.

A buddy of mine who is an extremely casual player just bought a supreme +3 tome. He's been around since head start (always as p2p) and never ran a single raid, I don't begrudge him the joy of having decent stats despite him having a different playstyle then mine.

A +3 tome does very little to improve a character compared to a +2. It is a very bad analogy. A torc on the other hand does lend a lot more, so does madstone boots, ToD rings, Marilith Chain, Eardweller, also greensteel items/weapons, and etc.

Get on your level 20 farm the heck out of shroud, then make a tier 3 accessory to pass to your level 11? NO THANK YOU.

[Vanquishedfo]

since items being BTC on pick up has always offended me I am very for something like this. When I think of toons I deleted that had extremely rare items bound to them that id of given anything to keep and actually woul take long breaks from subbing to the game over the frustration it caused. Yeah yes please.

[gloopygloop]

since items being BTC on pick up has always offended me I am very for something like this. When I think of toons I deleted that had extremely rare items bound to them that id of given anything to keep and actually woul take long breaks from subbing to the game over the frustration it caused. Yeah yes please.

Have you ever /rolled on loot that someone else didn't want on the character that they brought into the raid?

Because that wouldn't end completely, but you'd pretty much just see people only putting trash up for roll. Just like epics. You don't see people putting decent Shards/Seals/Scrolls up for /roll very often. But you *do* often see people put Torcs, Madstone Boots, etc. up for /roll just because those players are on the "wrong" character. BtA conversion means there is no "wrong" character anymore.

[Chaos000]

A +3 tome does very little to improve a character compared to a +2. It is a very bad analogy. A torc on the other hand does lend a lot more, so does madstone boots, ToD rings, Marilith Chain, Eardweller, also greensteel items/weapons, and etc.

Get on your level 20 farm the heck out of shroud, then make a tier 3 accessory to pass to your level 11? NO THANK YOU.

The example of a +3 tome being bought is an example of *pay to win.* Anyone that spends years casually pug raiding has a far more tougher time to get enough +3 tomes for every stat. Took me about a year and a half but I'm actually happy that my rl friend could feel that he can boost his gimpy toon so that he's not THAT far behind everyone else when he is leveling up.

Greensteel blanks are already unbound so are alchemical weapons. If that's a mistake then turbine should fix that asap.

Crafted items should remain bound. Sora Katra set, Greensteel, unraveling enchantments etc. You kind of knew what you were intending when you crafted it in the first place. An option to cleanse the crafted item to its base component for transfer would be nice tho'.

On a small scale: Red fens set completions, runes for dragontouched armor... raid trash items gathering dust.

BtA conversion priced at 1000 tp so an average VIP player takes about 2 months to transfer 1 item. Seriously how many items are they going to stockpile?

Besides it really depends on the player, I've got 8 madstone boots on my bard. why? nobody really needed them when it dropped out of a chest.