New DDO Store item: BtC to BtA conversion

[Jandric]

a Torc Is Like 100 Times Better Than A Complete Set Of +3 Tomes, So...yes.

Selling +3 Tomes In The Store Gives People With A Fat Wallet An Easy Button, But It Doesn't Do Anything To The Rest Of Us, So Who Really Gives A Fart. Making It So That Nobody Will Every Put Anything Up For Roll Ever Again Has A Significant Negative Effect On The Entire Game.

+1

[Thrudh]

This would completely destroy all raid loot sharing... plus, you could outfit your other characters without ever taking them into raids.

So no, not signed.

You need to learn how to raid with your melee, not just skip all raids with him, and instead farm for loot with your caster.

[Thrudh]

You can now buy a full set of +3 tomes for 30$.

Are you saying that paying 15$ to give my TORC to another toon is more game breaking?

Yes.

[JOTMON]

Why require the DDO store, they can just make everything BTA or unbound now.
Add a purchase reset Raid timer token, when your toons are on timer.
Add a purchase Epic ready capped toon fully geared from the DDO store so you dont have to play and can just log on and brag about how uber you are.

[Maxou69]

Yeah I was wrong, a TORC is better than a +3 tome indeed. I guess I'm still upset about the +3 tome in store. +3 tomes are raid loot and they sell raid loot now... but I'm off topic

[ainmosni]

You can now buy a full set of +3 tomes for 30$.

Are you saying that paying 15$ to give my TORC to another toon is more game breaking?

Yes.

+3 tomes do not turn a toon from a total gimp to an unkillable machine with godlike power. it's one point TOWARDS (keep in mind- even numbers needed!)

20 hitpoints
+1 to-hit
+1 damage
30 spellpoints
+1 AC
+1 saves
+1 umd



other stuff. it's not game breaking at all. it's BS they're selling it in the store just because it's raid loot. (took me months to grind my tomes, took the next guy 15 seconds of entering credit card info)

a torc, on the other hand..... when coupled with a shield, an unkillable godlike machine sounds a bit more realistic.....

[Chaos000]

No. BtC is a balancing element of the game. Yugo Pots, Silver Flame Pots, Epic Items, and upgraded items are BtC for a reason.

The point was that if an item is BtC for a balancing reason, it could either be ineligible for BTA conversion or it would be BTA (BTC upon equip) similar to crafting unbound items.

Because TRing is in place it's not unheard of for a fighter to loot something they can't use right at this moment for the sake of using it in a future life. (I thought that was the whole point of 20 runs for loot lists?)

I think 20 raid runs would be less annoying for someone if they had the option to pass something useful to a different character they had. I'd suggest BTC upon equip for all raid items but that would de-rail the thread

so... Store bought conversion. I for one am willing to pay.

[Bargol]

Yep using existing ingredients for a stone of change to make it BTA would be nice. Just please.....NO MORE NEW INGREDIENTS!! lol

/signed

This ^^^^

Please turbine whatever you do no more new ingredients.

[Chaos000]

Why require the DDO store, they can just make everything BTA or unbound now

To answer the question: BTA items becoming unbound would unbalance the player economy... and the best motivator is something revenue generating without breaking the game. (main reason why I didn't suggest it to be incorporated to the existing crafting system, if it was free why would we pay?)

I know some players that leave over a game changing element that affect their character directly because of the time spent to optimize that ability along with gearing the character out to the tee. Having some way to redeem a now broken build by moving items to new or existing character may help to generate a returning player base.

I know back when permanent damage was ridiculous I bound a whole lot of items to a now useless character. An ability to reverse that would save a LOT of time trying to grind back the items on a different character.

[dkyle]

The point was that if an item is BtC for a balancing reason, it could either be ineligible for BTA conversion or it would be BTA (BTC upon equip) similar to crafting unbound items.

Your OP said nothing about exempting any BtC items from BtA conversion. So what items would you want a conversion for? It's impossible to really discuss your proposition without establishing this. Stuff like the non-epic Red Fens set items I could see, since they're about the same power level as BtA chain rewards anyway. But I still don't want to see that as a store option.

And BtA on acquire + BtC on equip is a very minor limitation. I would consider making Raid loot that barely any better than making it flat out BtA.

Because TRing is in place it's not unheard of for a fighter to loot something they can't use right at this moment for the sake of using it in a future life. (I thought that was the whole point of 20 runs for loot lists?)

Not unheard of, but taking something for a future TR is much less compelling than taking something for your alt, that you could use right now. Most long-time players have some character that could make use any Raid loot they might pull, that's remotely desirable. And outside of completionist-bound characters (not common), most characters will stay within the same "genre" of character throughout their TRs, meaning loot useless now is likely to be useless in the future.

so... Store bought conversion. I for one am willing to pay.

I, for one, am not willing to pay for a game where a high degree of paying for power is allowed.

[dynahawk]

This would be great if it was limited to, say 1 item every 3 - 6 months per account. I would use it and I don't believe it would be totally abusive. If they move their torc over, the other character couldn't get it back for months.

[TempestAlphaOmega]

Actually, allowing BtC items to be transferred to another character would have a much bigger impact on gameplay than selling +3 tomes in the store. Right now, I give away most of my BtC raid loot just because that character can't use it. I'd be a lot less likely to give away a Torc when my Fighter pulls it if I knew I could give it to my new Sorc.

Reasonable people could disagree on whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, but it's certainly much more significant than selling +3 tomes.

Totally agree with the above statement.

[Chaos000]

Your OP said nothing about exempting any BtC items from BtA conversion. So what items would you want a conversion for? It's impossible to really discuss your proposition without establishing this. Stuff like the non-epic Red Fens set items I could see, since they're about the same power level as BtA chain rewards anyway. But I still don't want to see that as a store option.

Yes I didn't address exempting any BtC items from BtA conversion in my original post. It would make sense that the Devs would make that determination. They would know the reason why some items are BtC and why some items that used to be BtC are now BtA.

My opinion: Any item that is not altered *crafted* in some form would remain BtC. (maybe a breakdown option? take an epic item, lose the ingredients that made it epic and be able to change it back to a raid item?) I would argue that previously attuned items could be available for conversion. Any item that was BtC and is now BtA?

As you pointed out most long-time players do have some character that can make use of any raid loot they might pull. How many times have you pulled something you wished you had gotten on another character?

Lots of long time players (myself included) would see this as a good thing. Some won't ever want to see it as an in-game and/or store option but then they might feel the same way for the respec that the lesser heart of wood allows us either.

[Thrudh]

Because TRing is in place it's not unheard of for a fighter to loot something they can't use right at this moment for the sake of using it in a future life. (I thought that was the whole point of 20 runs for loot lists?)

That's still pretty rare... Very very very few people are going for completionist... Most people TRing are TRing into similar classes... My barbarian has TRed twice.. may TR once more... but I've still given away plenty of caster raid loot, because I have no intention of ever TRing him into a sorc or something.

Same with my wizard... He's only going to TR into caster types, so he gives away melee items.

I think 20 raid runs would be less annoying for someone if they had the option to pass something useful to a different character they had.

BtA for just items in the 20th list is an interesting idea. Gut reaction is no, but I could consider that one

[AmatsukaIncarnate]

I can only imagine the loot drama threads this would create. While this wouldnt be so much of an issue for end reward lists it would certainly cause upsets with raid chest loot.

It would encourage people to loot everything to pass to their alts rather than put up for roll items that they can't use.

Agreed.
Want this torc? Sorry, I have 7 other toons who will need it eventually.

Okay so that's a slight exaggeration depending on the expense in the DDOStore; however I think it'd have to be EXPENSIVE to do for it to be balanced AND the BTC should be BTC on equip.

[Musouka]

Not signed, except for Cannith crafting items.

Raid loot should be bind to character. It's no reasonable for me to be able to create a level 4 character today, have it level 20 by the end of the weekend, and then pass it a full set of BTA raid loot making it comparable to characters that have been running raids for months, or longer.

Making it possible to convert BTC loot into BTA loot will also prevent any sharing of loot. Why shouldn't I loot the madstone boots on my cleric, or the staff of the petitioner on my fighter? I might roll up a new character one day, and want to be able to pass these.

Raid loot sharing, and need before greed, is one of the aspects of DDO that sets it apart from other MMOs. Making it possible to turn all raid loot into BTA loot, even if just once, will completely destroy that.

^That

/not signed.

Also in response to Amatsuka, it may be expensive, but I can just hold onto in my bank until I earn enough favor TP to transfer it.

[Chaos000]

Making it possible to convert BTC loot into BTA loot will also prevent any sharing of loot. Why shouldn't I loot the madstone boots on my cleric, or the staff of the petitioner on my fighter? I might roll up a new character one day, and want to be able to pass these.

I disagree with the attitude that certain classes shouldn't loot a particular item that happens to drop for them just because there's a presumed "greater need" by another class. Now if it was someone rolling for an item someone put up for roll that they intend to pass to a different character... that's another story.

Raid loot sharing will still occur irregardless of this feature being added to the DDO store.

If all raid loot can only be converted to BtA (bind to character on equip), and the cost was 1000 TP, the people using this feature heavily would be people that have played for years and they are likely to use it only on highly coveted low drop items. In fact. One could argue that if they did get the item to the character they needed it on (20th run on a different character or whatever), they would be far more likely to be in a position to pass the raid loot along if it drops for them again.

[Astraghal]

These 'HEY THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE THING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE IN THE DDO STORE IS THERE RIGHT NOW - GO LOOK! - HAHA TRICKED YOU!' threads dressed up as polls, petitions and rants are rather annoying.

PS - No I didn't really get tricked, but it's still corny, cheap and annoying.

[blkcat1028]

I'd just be happy if the huge collectibles bag I bought from the store was BtA.

[gloopygloop]

I disagree with the attitude that certain classes shouldn't loot a particular item that happens to drop for them just because there's a presumed "greater need" by another class. Now if it was someone rolling for an item someone put up for roll that they intend to pass to a different character... that's another story.

Just for clarity, I don't think that anyone in this thread is objecting to the idea that someone who would only get limited use out of an item would loot it instead of someone else who would potentially make better use of that item. The objection is that players who have absolutely no desire for that item on that character would no longer want to put items up for /roll because a BtA conversion option because they could potentially pass that item to another character that they already have or that they might potentially roll up in the future.