Access VIP by "pointscription".

[Robi3.0]

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IMO my being a VIP is my way to help support a game that I enjoy. If you enjoy the game and wish to support it then spend the money. A VIP subscription cost such a small amount to begin with. If you get the 1 year subscription it only comes out to about $8.30 a month.

I do not feel that this should ever be given away for free. This would only be a slap in the face of all of us that are currently VIP's. IF YOU WANT THE "PERKS" SPEND THE DOLLARS. Enough said.

Wow, assume things much? I am not VIP and truth be told I have spent more money on this game in the last year then I did in my last year of VIP subscription. The difference is I pay in 20 to 50 dollar chunks when it strikes my fancy instead of xx on a predetermined schedule.


That being said Points for VIP would be completely worthless. At what it would need to cost point wise it would be impossible to realistically farm the required points at a fast enough rate to get monthly VIP access, and if you are going to spend money on points then why wouldn't you spend less to just get VIP, hell it even comes with points.

[justhavinfun]

Never said that VIP were the only people to spend money on the game. Thank you anyways for putting words in my mouth that I never said or believe. I just do not feel that VIP status should be attainable from TP earned within the game. If this were ever allowed it would just make VIP completely worthless. They might as just do away with it and allow everyone access to everything (packs, elite quest opening, shared bank, etc.) for free.

What I said was that if you enjoy the game and wish to support it then do so by spending the RL money. Wether you do that by being premium and bying packs or by paying monthly I do not care. If you do not wish to spend the RL money then you should not have access to everything that those of us that do pay have.

[umeannothing]

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IMO my being a VIP is my way to help support a game that I enjoy. If you enjoy the game and wish to support it then spend the money. A VIP subscription cost such a small amount to begin with. If you get the 1 year subscription it only comes out to about $8.30 a month.

I do not feel that this should ever be given away for free. This would only be a slap in the face of all of us that are currently VIP's. IF YOU WANT THE "PERKS" SPEND THE DOLLARS. Enough said.

Every time I read this I chuckle inside, knowing that by far, I as a FREE member on this account, and a premium member on my main account have spent above and beyond what you claim in this statement.

Of course nobody should be able to PAY for Turbine Points in the store to become VIP!!!

That would dilute the VIP pool apparently.

[umeannothing]

Never said that VIP were the only people to spend money on the game. Thank you anyways for putting words in my mouth that I never said or believe. I just do not feel that VIP status should be attainable from TP earned within the game. If this were ever allowed it would just make VIP completely worthless. They might as just do away with it and allow everyone access to everything (packs, elite quest opening, shared bank, etc.) for free.

What I said was that if you enjoy the game and wish to support it then do so by spending the RL money. Wether you do that by being premium and bying packs or by paying monthly I do not care. If you do not wish to spend the RL money then you should not have access to everything that those of us that do pay have.

Oh, I am sorry, I forgot, because us Premium members are not VIP, the cash we do spend is not as significant as the cash a VIP spends.

Gee, and I always thought that money was money, dirty/wet/smelly/wrinkled/fresh............it all spends the same.

My bad.

EDIT: I forgot to add, that every time you get 100 favor, and do not send an email to account services to take it back, you are essentially playing for "free" as much as any premium/free players is......But, that is just my personal opinion.

[justhavinfun]

And you assume that all I spend is the money for my VIP subscription. All I was doing was breaking down the load screen that Turbine has advertising VIP. This thread is not about who spends the most it is about wanting something without spending anything.

Sure lets go ahead and do as the OP suggest. Then when everyone can get everything for free by grinding favor there will be no more need for these disscussions. The reason for that will be that Turbine will no longer have a source of income from the players. This will lead to no new content since they will not be able to pay the Devs. Not to mention that I am sure that have to pay overhead like electricity (or at least food for the hamsters). With no revenue there will soon be no game for us to discuss.

[umeannothing]

And you assume that all I spend is the money for my VIP subscription. All I was doing was breaking down the load screen that Turbine has advertising VIP. This thread is not about who spends the most it is about wanting something without spending anything.

Sure lets go ahead and do as the OP suggest. Then when everyone can get everything for free by grinding favor there will be no more need for these disscussions. The reason for that will be that Turbine will no longer have a source of income from the players. This will lead to no new content since they will not be able to pay the Devs. Not to mention that I am sure that have to pay overhead like electricity (or at least food for the hamsters). With no revenue there will soon be no game for us to discuss.

Thing is, you do not seem to grasp the simple fact that sure, a player for a few months can get VIP for free if they are dedicated. A player with no life, and wanting to do nothing more in the game but farm favor to buy VIP can get it forever.

The average player will get VIP for a couple/few months. Then the first time server bonuses are gone. Then they have to farm. And farm like hell without ever getting to actually play the very service they are trying to get.

So WHAT if they get a couple/few months for free by being a dedicated hard working favor farmer? It won't last. And then, they will be right where I was earlier this year. I missed my shared bank.....Kaching to Turbine, I bought it. I missed TBC.....Kaching to Turbine, I bought it, Tangleroot.....Threnal.......every single quest pack......32 point build........a couple races..........I wound up buying it all because I was a VIP when I first played the game, went to free/prem (back then they were about the same) and bought everything I liked to have.


If a player never knows what they are missing, then they probably will never buy anything more than the free they get for not knowing what they are missing.

[Salvidrim]

That was pretty much my initial idea. Of course hardcore farmers could get "free" VIP, but hey, they're getting free everything anyways by farming.

This is more targetted at the "normal" player, who buys a month of VIP with TP rewards, gets a taste of it and doesn't go back to being a non-VIP.

Perhaps to emphasize that goal the first month could be vastly cheaper than subsequent ones, or there could be an incremental cost to deter long-term farmers. Or simply a limit to how many months you can pointscribe to, I dunno.

[Musouka]

That was pretty much my initial idea. Of course hardcore farmers could get "free" VIP, but hey, they're getting free everything anyways by farming.

This is more targetted at the "normal" player, who buys a month of VIP with TP rewards, gets a taste of it and doesn't go back.

If they're not going back, then why don't they just spend the TP on an adventure pack? It's more efficient to actually buy the packs, than save up for 1 month of VIP which you wont do again.

[Salvidrim]

Oops, I meant "doesn't go back to being a non-VIP". ^^"

[Robi3.0]

Here is the thing even if Turbine did a exact dollar to TP conversion at the worst rate (which they shouldn't, it should cost more TP) VIP for points would be 1200TP at that cost I am guess less then 1% of the game population would ever bother farming points to get VIP for even 1 month.

Why should Turbine waste any resources on something that would only benefit <1% of the game population?

[Salvidrim]

That's why maybe the first month could be made really cheap enough to be appealing, perhaps...

[herzkos]

i'd rather see a "freebie" weekend or weekday as a promotion to inspire people to sub.
perhaps as limited as offering a guest pass or two to f2p/premium players.
Giving someone a taste without giving them the whole thing for a month might intrigue
them enough to buy the pack (or subscribe).
For example, giving someone a 4 hour pass to GH might just get them to buy the pack or sub.
in 4 hours, I doubt they'll be able to farm all the relics they need (or be flagged) to even do the raid
but they'll probably want to finish the quest line just to see what all they can get .

by all means change the time of the pass to whatever you think appropriate.

I might even be in favor of allowing people to purchase their own "guest" passes but that one
requires some more thought on my part.

having a f2per be able to buy vip with points I think is just a bad idea.

[Robi3.0]

That's why maybe the first month could be made really cheap enough to be appealing, perhaps...

There is no reason in hell that Turbine should make buying VIP with points cheaper then buying it with cash for any reason not even once.

Aside from this being an incredibly bad idea from a strictly business stand point. It is an even worst idea when you take in to account the major fecal storm that currently VIP base will raise when they find out EVERY PERK! that they have been paying for can now be gotten with points. The storm will especial potent if it were cheaper to buy VIP with points the actual money, then if it were a one shot thing.

Free VIP week/weekend is a bad idea as well. Guest pass are there to allow your friends to "show" you around the game. Nothing more is needed. If you haven't noticed this game isn't hurting for players. I don't see why anyone feels that gimmicks or more free stuff is needed.

[Fenrir_Lorengard]

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IMO my being a VIP is my way to help support a game that I enjoy. If you enjoy the game and wish to support it then spend the money. A VIP subscription cost such a small amount to begin with. If you get the 1 year subscription it only comes out to about $8.30 a month.

I do not feel that this should ever be given away for free. This would only be a slap in the face of all of us that are currently VIP's. IF YOU WANT THE "PERKS" SPEND THE DOLLARS. Enough said.

I bought the entire quest packs and quite a few other account options, and I'm not a VIP. Being a VIP is not the only way to financially support this game.

If what I'm doing is bad for Turbine in some bizarre and twisted way, maybe they should look into killing premium then.

[Chrasch]

Urgh the amount of back and forthing that I just tried to read through is insane. I as a person who is broke and in debt but still likes to play MMO's completely support it. I'd really like to see all that DDO has to offer. I have never ever gotten past level 14 because F2P is a bit slow and I always think of a new idea before I can get to late game. So to implement said new idea I have to delete one of my current 4 characters. With a TP for VIP ability I could finally have my 12 character slots that would allow me to experiment to my heart's desire. I had to delete my level 14 to make my current Rogue/Bard/Artificer. SO yeah 100% backing this. Signed or whatever it is the cool kids are doing these days. ;D

[herzkos]

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Free VIP week/weekend is a bad idea as well. Guest pass are there to allow your friends to "show" you around the game. Nothing more is needed. If you haven't noticed this game isn't hurting for players. I don't see why anyone feels that gimmicks or more free stuff is needed.

I haven't bought anyone a guest pass since the game went f2p. maybe that just makes me a miser, i dunno.
Seems to me that a self bought guest pass (1 or 2 hrs), at say 10% of the cost of the pack would make turbine
some money. It would also let people try things. It would also be real difficult to exploit and get all the gear
you "need" permanently from that pack without buying it or buying enough self passes (10) to equal the cost
of the pack normally. No, the self pass price would not be deducted from the pack price if you wanted to
buy the pack later.

I was not suggesting people pay for vip status with points, I still think that that is a real bad idea.

i'm still thinkin' about it (not that that matters) but I fail to see how a limited time "guest" pass (think hours not days) for certain quest packs (that aren't selling well) would hurt anyone or anything.

[Salvidrim]

Perhaps alter the gains of a self-pass vs. a guest-pass vs. bought-pack vs. VIP-access?

Like 50%/70%/90%/100% of "standard" or something, I dunno, to drop rates, or EXP, or favor, or whatever else.

[simo0208]

$100/year

Roughtly $8/month for VIP

500 free points (sometimes more). Roughly $6-7 of real money.

Net cost of VIP $1-2/month and you don't have to buy anything. Seriously, this can't get any better.

[Chrasch]

$100/year

Roughtly $8/month for VIP

500 free points (sometimes more). Roughly $6-7 of real money.

Net cost of VIP $1-2/month and you don't have to buy anything. Seriously, this can't get any better.

Except for those of us who don't have any money.

[Musouka]

$100/year

Roughtly $8/month for VIP

500 free points (sometimes more). Roughly $6-7 of real money.

Net cost of VIP $1-2/month and you don't have to buy anything. Seriously, this can't get any better.

It was also stated before. A VIP could exploit this. Go VIP and use the extra TP each month to extend VIP sub. Therefor breaking the value of a VIP sub.