Demon Queen DR Breakers...

[Bakarne]

...are Good + Cold Iron. The demon queen is also immune to lightning.

I don't care if you are a five time TR with an epic Marilith Chain. If you refuse to swap from LitII melee weapons in eDQ, you are not welcome in my groups.

+4 Holy Cold Iron Weapon of Chaotic/Evil Outsider Bane is craftable with just 30-40 levels of work.

[LordPiglet]

...are Good + Cold Iron. The demon queen is also immune to lightning.

I don't care if you are a five time TR with an epic Marilith Chain. If you refuse to swap from LitII melee weapons in eDQ, you are not welcome in my groups.

+4 Holy Cold Iron Weapon of Chaotic/Evil Outsider Bane is craftable with just 30-40 levels of work.

Yeah, but she takes acid so I just use min ii's for the ones with them built.

[Bengalih]

Also I believe she has fire/cold resist of about 20 on Elite and much higher on Epic (50+?). Add that to the lightining, and I guess acid is all that can get through after you pass her resist (good luck on that).

I agree that melee lit2 probably shouldn't be used. Although a LitII bow (holy burst) with cold iron arrows still is on par or equal to almost every other bow, expecially after the increase in fort with U11.

[Arshan]

YAY the thread about me was expecting it so much =)

First, the reason why i dont craft min II is that they are way to expensive for what they actually can be replaced with (=> cannith crafted +4 holy burst...). Then you'd asked why dont i have these. Just cause i simply cannot afford it technically, because i didnt manage to find cold iron peshes (FOR REAL !=p). Same issue with adamantine, i gotta keep ranging the lord of blades.

Ok i didnt have a DR breaker for lailat herself, but was still damaging her for some 60ish(ok would have been 70-75 with DR breakers) base damage, frenzy was applying anyway so additional 1D12+1, ravager 1D12+1 and SA i believe (though i hotswaped tharne's for for HP goggles when i saw everyone was dying). Was the lack of min II gimping that much my dps ? Ok cannith crafted would have helped but as i said, can't find cold iron. I'm looking for it really... as much as i've been after marilith chain seal for 6 months. Just can't pull it =)

And afterall, i was still the only bow user on lailat first part (and there i was dr breaking her with arrows actually and w/e good slotted bow i had, prolly sinew), at least with manyshot. In addition i've been the only melee alive a couple of time i believe, in efreeti parts mainly so there litII was useful (ya it could have been *remotely* useful).

Now there is 2 ways to see it :

- I didnt have Dr breakers, i'm a bad guy, lailat should have killed me and i should burn in hell for eternity
- I had a melee spot, assuming lailat has X HP, that casters prolly took off 33% of her HP, so 0,66X remaining. 8 *melee dps*, 0,66/8, i was supposed to take care of around 8,5% of her HP. I asssume i did a wee more, so my spot was covered.

I dont like the second way, i find it as dumb as it is possible to be so let's forget it (though the reasonning MAY be true). I didnt have DR breakers i shall be damned !

I see 3 ways for this to not happen again
- Send me enough large to craft 2 minII
- Send me 2 cold iron peshes
- I shall not run eDQ again

Unfortunately i gotta run eDQ for gear purpose, gotta send me gear peeps ! Ty by advance <3

Can't wait now for people to take what i say quote by quote to explain me why i'm wrong =)

As i said in the raid, if you hadnt died, u wouldnt have paid attention to my peshes It's also your fault if you didnt take an artificer to the raid to pass me cold iron on my litII !!! (hopefully you'll get that was a joke )

Anyway i had great fun there seeing you myddoing me, i may keep my litII on just to have other runs as funny as this one was

And next time i may use...


(mineral aligned hamster of greater Lailat bane, these effects apply on if you are carrying litII in the raid)

[TheDearLeader]

YAY the thread about me was expecting it so much =)

The OP runs 2-3 eDQs every three days.
I've been on runs, post U-11, where the healers have been above 50% SP, Cleric and FvS, when we completed.
OP was the Cleric.

Lailat's DR is 20/Cold Iron + Good on Epic.

Say you as a TWFer do 120 swings per minute. Lailat is "down" for about 2.5 minutes before War, and 60 seconds after War.

Your Choices are (Khopesh):
Lit II, 1d10+5 (10.5) + 2d6 Holy (7) - 20DR= -2.5 Damage per swing, + all your tasty modifiers. You're starting out with a negative number.
+5 Holy Cold Iron of Evil Outsider Bane, 1d8+7 (11.5) + 2d6 Holy (7) + 2d6 Bane (7) = 25.5 Damage per swing, + all your tasty modifiers. You're starting out 28 damage per swing higher with this option.

28 More Damage Per Swing, 120 swings per minute (I'm ballparking this number), 3.5 minutes of blades - on - queen = 11760 more HPs of damage you would have done.

I dunno man... I'd want those tasty numbers.

I'ma be frank - I know the both of you in game. Tarnesh, you have enough resources at your disposal to acquire 2 Cold Iron Khopeshes. You know via my list that there are at least half a dozen people on our server that will willingly craft them for you.

You're not new, you're not "poor", you're not any of that. You shouldn't be coming asking for handouts - you should be adding 2x Cold Iron Khopeshes to your Gateau list. That thread alone is proof that your personal worth could well cover acquiring the GS mats for Min II, or a couple of silly old Cold Iron Khopeshes.

I'll also say that you aren't the first to bump heads with OP over this. We have a lot of people applying that use Lit IIs throughout combat, and don't understand why the Queen is taking so dang long. So really, you're just the straw the broke the camel's back.

(PS. - wasn't around for this particular raid.)

[Arshan]

You shouldn't be coming asking for handouts

Was OBVIOUSLY a joke but all good ^^

I know i got a decently furnished trade list but the demand is very low on what i offer, and i'm usually running with less than 5K pp on all toons. Having scrolls is cool but if no one want them...

About larges, i'll be honnest i never run shroud. It's bad i know but i can't stand doing it.
In addition i passed all the larges i still had to a friend that got his 2 years of shroud farming destroyed in a bag thrhough the account window bank. He'll prolly pass it back to me there wsant that much.

So ya if i really want i can get these, but would make me spare stuff i dont want. Like oh let's sell this scroll of the eSOS cause i need to make greensteels... hum well i wouldnt.
About crafting i really just need to be lucky and get cold iron (and adamntine) peshes, checking AH everyday, but i dont wanna spend 500k on a pesh i cant get kinda wherever. It's all about investing time getting these. Ya i should have added that to my thread definitely but that's not something that came out in my (damned now ) mind.

I'll do that now... and OH YA i forgot, i'm annoying casue i want 2 peshes with the same look. Should be findable still.

On the way to Gateau list thanks for the numbers =)

And by the way i though her DR was higher... so indeed worth it to invest. I was getting nice numbers i was cool.

[rest]

I'll do that now... and OH YA i forgot, i'm annoying casue i want 2 peshes with the same look. Should be findable still.
.

They're out there.. i have some matching cold irons in my bank. And 2 sets of silver.

Glad I'm not the only one who does that. My adamantines khopeshes are a matching set too

[TheDearLeader]

And by the way i though her DR was higher... so indeed worth it to invest. I was getting nice numbers i was cool.

I thought her DR was higher too, but the wiki says 20. I thought it was 30, but.. /shrug.

There's one on the AH for 79k right now. Still way too expensive, but below the people that think a metal type alone is worth 500k.

And sadly, I do agree that I'm kind of picky about matching "Skins" >.>

You know, if you do this new MA/LoB stuff enough, one alternative would be to make two Epic Khopeshes from there. Triple Earth, Flametouched Iron Base, Cold Iron on the Augment slot. Now *that* would be pimp.

Now, I make humor.



Edit : You also have GateauMail. On Tarnesh.

[NaturalHazard]

Was OBVIOUSLY a joke but all good ^^

I know i got a decently furnished trade list but the demand is very low on what i offer, and i'm usually running with less than 5K pp on all toons. Having scrolls is cool but if no one want them...

About larges, i'll be honnest i never run shroud. It's bad i know but i can't stand doing it.
.

why not solo sins for larges? I get through there on normal in around 20 or so minutes.

[Krelar]

Your Choices are (Khopesh):
Lit II, 1d10+5 (10.5) + 2d6 Holy (7) - 20DR= -2.5 Damage per swing, + all your tasty modifiers. You're starting out with a negative number.
+5 Holy Cold Iron of Evil Outsider Bane, 1d8+7 (11.5) + 2d6 Holy (7) + 2d6 Bane (7) = 25.5 Damage per swing, + all your tasty modifiers. You're starting out 23.5 damage per swing higher with this option.

23.5 More Damage Per Swing, 120 swings per minute (I'm ballparking this number), 3.5 minutes of blades - on - queen = 9870 more HPs of damage you would have done.

Isn't the difference between -2.5 damage and 25.5 damage 28 damage per swing? So more like 11760 extra damage.

[TheDearLeader]

Isn't the difference between -2.5 damage and 25.5 damage 28 damage per swing? So more like 11760 extra damage.

You mean when you subtract a negative number, it becomes positive? XD Yeah, obviously I was typing faster than I was thinking mathematically. Good catch.

The number isn't exact anyway, because the Swings Per Minute is inaccurate. I just wanted to point out that the difference in damage is, indeed, significant.

Edited the other post to reflect correct math, regardless.

[Arshan]

You mean when you subtract a negative number, it becomes positive? XD Yeah, obviously I was typing faster than I was thinking mathematically. Good catch.

The number isn't exact anyway, because the Swings Per Minute is inaccurate. I just wanted to point out that the difference in damage is, indeed, significant.

Edited the other post to reflect correct math, regardless.

Add my 20% Proc off hand to that for more lost damages

[Ilindith]

Extra 100d12 damage per attack if you tell it to GO FOR THE EYES!

[Arshan]

Extra 100d12 damage per attack if you tell it to GO FOR THE EYES!

It's in my bio already... i'm fine with it

[gloopygloop]

YAY the thread about me was expecting it so much =)

First, the reason why i dont craft min II is that they are way to expensive for what they actually can be replaced with (=> cannith crafted +4 holy burst...). Then you'd asked why dont i have these. Just cause i simply cannot afford it technically, because i didnt manage to find cold iron peshes (FOR REAL !=p). Same issue with adamantine, i gotta keep ranging the lord of blades.

Anyone who can't be bothered to carry a +1 Metalline [whatever] of Pure Good into an epic raid should just be embarassed by their epic failure to prepare.

A +1 Metalline [whatever] of Pure Good with +20 damage added on for bypassing her DR is going to do a hell of a lot more damage than a LitII weapon that fails to do any electric damage to her.

[Jandric]

YAY the thread about me was expecting it so much =)

First, the reason why i dont craft min II is that they are way to expensive for what they actually can be replaced with (=> cannith crafted +4 holy burst...). Then you'd asked why dont i have these. Just cause i simply cannot afford it technically, because i didnt manage to find cold iron peshes (FOR REAL !=p). Same issue with adamantine, i gotta keep ranging the lord of blades.

Ok i didnt have a DR breaker for lailat herself, but was still damaging her for some 60ish(ok would have been 70-75 with DR breakers) base damage, frenzy was applying anyway so additional 1D12+1, ravager 1D12+1 and SA i believe (though i hotswaped tharne's for for HP goggles when i saw everyone was dying). Was the lack of min II gimping that much my dps ? Ok cannith crafted would have helped but as i said, can't find cold iron. I'm looking for it really... as much as i've been after marilith chain seal for 6 months. Just can't pull it =)

And afterall, i was still the only bow user on lailat first part (and there i was dr breaking her with arrows actually and w/e good slotted bow i had, prolly sinew), at least with manyshot. In addition i've been the only melee alive a couple of time i believe, in efreeti parts mainly so there litII was useful (ya it could have been *remotely* useful).

Now there is 2 ways to see it :

- I didnt have Dr breakers, i'm a bad guy, lailat should have killed me and i should burn in hell for eternity
- I had a melee spot, assuming lailat has X HP, that casters prolly took off 33% of her HP, so 0,66X remaining. 8 *melee dps*, 0,66/8, i was supposed to take care of around 8,5% of her HP. I asssume i did a wee more, so my spot was covered.

I dont like the second way, i find it as dumb as it is possible to be so let's forget it (though the reasonning MAY be true). I didnt have DR breakers i shall be damned !

I see 3 ways for this to not happen again
- Send me enough large to craft 2 minII
- Send me 2 cold iron peshes
- I shall not run eDQ again

Unfortunately i gotta run eDQ for gear purpose, gotta send me gear peeps ! Ty by advance <3

Can't wait now for people to take what i say quote by quote to explain me why i'm wrong =)

As i said in the raid, if you hadnt died, u wouldnt have paid attention to my peshes It's also your fault if you didnt take an artificer to the raid to pass me cold iron on my litII !!! (hopefully you'll get that was a joke )

Anyway i had great fun there seeing you myddoing me, i may keep my litII on just to have other runs as funny as this one was

And next time i may use...


(mineral aligned hamster of greater Lailat bane, these effects apply on if you are carrying litII in the raid)

+1 to you sir, if only for the Boo reference You would surely pown Lailat with Boo on your side

[Thalmor]

YAY the thread about me was expecting it so much =)




(mineral aligned hamster of greater Lailat bane, these effects apply on if you are carrying litII in the raid)

+1 for the Boo/Minsc reference ... Loved that game ... BG brought DnD Video Games back from the Abyss!

As a side note I always had Minsc in my party for his RPG effect.

[NaturalHazard]

YAY the thread about me was expecting it so much =)

First, the reason why i dont craft min II is that they are way to expensive for what they actually can be replaced with (=> cannith crafted +4 holy burst...). Then you'd asked why dont i have these. Just cause i simply cannot afford it technically, because i didnt manage to find cold iron peshes (FOR REAL !=p). Same issue with adamantine, i gotta keep ranging the lord of blades.

If you cant find cold iron khopeshes why not just use cold iron scimitars and put holy, chaotic outsider bane on them? Even though they are not khopeshes they should still do more dps to lailat than your non dr breaking khopeshes would?

oh lol should of read all the other posts, im argueing this point with someone who turned down cold iron peshes cause he wants them to have matching skins. lolz.

[LordPiglet]

****, just use that new aligned bow with seeker 8 and elasticity with some cold iron arrows.

[Arshan]

****, just use that new aligned bow with seeker 8 and elasticity with some cold iron arrows.

Would have been awful dps compared to what i was dealing with my NON DR BREAKING peshes