Jade Strike with DC 43 completely unsatisfying

[K_0tiC]

Even on a fail from the crushing despair the mob still gets the weaken will effect for -3 to there willsave so dc isnt important, when I cast masshold on my wizards I always drop either cd or 1sp hypno for the -3 weaken will effect.

18base 2tome 11item (7helm 3exceptional 1litany) 2ship 2 stance 2yugo 3monk wisdom=40 only other option is 5 level ups and 3/4tome and +2 store pot & 1human and yea epic helm of the moranon is the only wis 7 item in game.

[TheDearLeader]

Even on a fail from the crushing despair the mob still gets the weaken will effect for -3 to there willsave so dc isnt important, when I cast masshold on my wizards I always drop either cd or 1sp hypno for the -3 weaken will effect.

Unless they are Red/Purple named. And the OP specifically refers to Arraetrikos in Shroud.

[anto_capone]

Completely off topic.
I've always found it HILARIOUS that the Devs made the Earth Wind and Fire finisher an (almost) irresistable dance (as long as you choose your targets wisely), and called it Shining Star.
Am I the only one that got that joke? I sure hope not.

haha nice catch

[Calebro]

haha nice catch

Every time I see and Ogre dancing, this song is playing in my head.
Every single time.

[Shade]

Jade strike isn't meant to be that great for raid bosses. Especially evil outsiders, who's highest save is Will. (Arraetrikos on normal has a 35 will save, higher on hard/elite)

It and tomb of jade are ideal for high HP/high fort trash monsters tho. Especially undead, and elementals, who don't have the best will saves and have 100% fort.

Especially epic elementals, which normally have 100% fort, you can drop down to 75%, and they also tend to have very low will save (it's there lowest save). Thats a huge boots to dps for yourself and all other melees in your group.

In epic devils assault you should be able to land it nearly 100% on all of the elementals.

EDA also happens to be a slightly superior quest to farm for large scales then shourd (since you mentioned arraetrikos). The droprates quite a bit higher. Plus the 2 tokens and a chance at the very valuable handwraps makes it quite lucrative to run, and light monks are ultra effective there.

Monks are an ultra powerful class, just have to use the right punches/specials in the right areas to be effective. Definete dont need to max wisdom.

Ideal monk stats are not too unlike other twf melee classes: Max str, good con, enough dex for twf.. Rest ya can fit into wis/cha. Only differences is you might consider dropping 1 str to sure up your wis stat 3 points.

[gamj]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think fighter past life passive feat (+1 DC tactical) works with a lot of Monk moves (stunning fist for sure, and maybe the light moves?)

[whomhead]

Jade strike isn't meant to be that great for raid bosses. Especially evil outsiders, who's highest save is Will. (Arraetrikos on normal has a 35 will save, higher on hard/elite)

It and tomb of jade are ideal for high HP/high fort trash monsters tho. Especially undead, and elementals, who don't have the best will saves and have 100% fort.

The problem with this line of reason is that on any thing that isn't a boss (purple or red name) that is vulnerable to Jade Strike (i.e. is a tainted creature), then you are better of using either Dismissing Strike for an instakill or Tomb of Jade for 150% damage before you use Jade Strike. So if Jade Strike isn't meant to be good for bosses, then what the heck is it meant to be good for, given that it is the only strike that actually works on bosses? This is especially true since all of these strikes have the exact same DC.

Especially epic elementals, which normally have 100% fort, you can drop down to 75%, and they also tend to have very low will save (it's there lowest save). Thats a huge boots to dps for yourself and all other melees in your group.

In epic devils assault you should be able to land it nearly 100% on all of the elementals.

While I completely agree that light monks are very powerful in EDA, the strike order on elementals should be Dismissing, Tomb, then Jade Strike only as a very last resort. In fact, you'd probably be better off just generating more ki for 15 seconds and waiting for Dismissing Strike to come off timer than bothering to use Jade Strike.

Sadly the devils in there are considered to be on their home plane, just like the Shroud, so Dismissing Strike wont work on them.

[BDS]

I'm pretty sure the message behind it was use Cursespewing until enemy is Cursed, then Jade Strike when their saves are lowered. I wasn't the one who suggested Cursespewing specifically, but it's a thought.

Yep exactly

[Lord_Thanatos]

The problem with this line of reason is that on any thing that isn't a boss (purple or red name) that is vulnerable to Jade Strike (i.e. is a tainted creature), then you are better of using either Dismissing Strike for an instakill or Tomb of Jade for 150% damage before you use Jade Strike. So if Jade Strike isn't meant to be good for bosses, then what the heck is it meant to be good for, given that it is the only strike that actually works on bosses? This is especially true since all of these strikes have the exact same DC.

Or completely besides the fact that Eladrin specific mentioned Jade Strike when talking about ways to reduce fort for epic raid bosses along with Touch of Despair.

So I imagine that the design intent IS for Jade Strike to be used on raid bosses.