Need Suggestion: Wizard 18/Rogue 2 Elf build

[Nephilia]

Need suggestions/critics please
This is a massive (or almost) TRed build
Ty a lot all

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male 
(2 Rogue / 18 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 206 
Spell Points: 1453 

BAB: 10/10/15/20 
Fortitude: 9 
Reflex: 18 
Will: 10 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(36 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength           12                12 
Dexterity          10                10 
Constitution       16                16 
Intelligence       18                29 
Wisdom              8                 8 
Charisma            8                 8 

Tomes Used 
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            4              4 
Bluff              2              2 
Concentration      5              26 
Diplomacy          3              3 
Disable Device     8              32 
Haggle             -1             -1 
Heal               -1             -1 
Hide               4              4 
Intimidate         -1             -1 
Jump               5              5 
Listen             -1             1 
Move Silently      4              4 
Open Lock          4              4 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             4              9 
Search             8              34 
Spot               3              24 
Swim               1              1 
Tumble             1              1 
Use Magic Device   3              21 
 
Level 1 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+4) 
Skill: Bluff (+3) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Diplomacy (+4) 
Skill: Disable Device (+4) 
Skill: Hide (+4) 
Skill: Jump (+4) 
Skill: Move Silently (+4) 
Skill: Open Lock (+4) 
Skill: Search (+4) 
Skill: Spot (+4) 
Skill: Tumble (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard 
 
Level 2 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell 
 
Level 3 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
 
Level 4 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
 
Level 5 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
 
Level 6 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy 
 
Level 7 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
 
Level 8 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1.5) 
 
Level 9 (Rogue) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+2) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+8) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy 
 
Level 10 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1.5) 
 
Level 11 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) 
 
Level 12 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment 
 
Level 13 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 14 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 15 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment 
 
Level 16 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 17 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell 
 
Level 18 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell 
 
Level 19 (Wizard) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 20 (Wizard) 
Ability Raise: INT 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5) 
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I 
Enhancement: Elven Arcaanum I 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum II 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum III 
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum IV 
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I 
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Heightening I 
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I 
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II 
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening I 
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I 
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I 
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I 
Enhancement: Deadly Shocks I 
Enhancement: Deadly Flame I 
Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics I 
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II 
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation II 
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation III 
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation II 
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I 
Enhancement: Force Manipulation II 
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I 
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II 
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I 
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II 
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III 
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I 
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II 
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III 
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich 
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I 
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II 
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III

[DaSawks]

One idea. Take Heighten and Quicken sooner. Leave the Greater Spell Focus' for later when you will need the +1 to DC's. Taking Necro Focus at level 6 is too early. You would gain more from Quicken.

I love the Rogue/Wizard. I will be running one on my next life.

PS; Why Elf? IMHO toasters make the best Arcane.

[paraplegic]

mm i might not be the best wizzy in my server but i blive humans are better for pm

[DaSawks]

Or Drow. I perfer Warforged with Archmage.

[IllOracle]

If you are dead set on Elf then PaleMaster is the way to go as you've selected.

Was it intentional to not select the feat Insightful Reflexes? I ask because it is just so very good with evasion and high INT.

As far as stats go, I would drop STR and bump CHA. I have a build very close to this and don't remember a time that 8 or even 10 STR hurt much at all. In my opinion, +2 UMD goes further than +2 STR-based skills. Missing on a Heal/Rez scroll when the fit hits the shan, does make things exciting. I suppose...
Or Bump CON one more and even it out with a +1 tome.

Have fun with the build! I did.

[Splatterfart]

Simple suggestion:
Human Pale Master
Warforged every-other-wizard.

[barryman5000]

Elf can get +2 to spell pen for a cost of 3 ap. I'd stay elf for a pale master especially if you can get the extra spell pen to compensate for the rogue splash.

[DaSawks]

Was it intentional to not select the feat Insightful Reflexes? I ask because it is just so very good with evasion and high INT.

Have fun with the build! I did.

Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes At level 1. Hidden in there.

[psychonewb]

This looks like a really great build, but I wouldn't really know all I have is a lv 5 Barbarian.

Definitely gonna try this out I didn't know about the Elven Arcanum enhancement since everyone is pretty much always saying Drow/Human/WF for wizard I don't think a lot of people actually even give elf the attention.

I been really wanting to try wizard out. I just love saying wizard. Wizard! Time to wizard it up.

I was even looking at halfling, with all the extra saves and +1 AC etc. looks acceptable enough as well I'm gonna look into it more but Human/Elf/Drow prob are better for rogue splash.

Edit: I guess I just also just like halflings I guess, or I really want to make a halfing rogue but don't know it and am making a wiz/rog. Or maybe I'm just thinking about the game too much and am getting too excited cause its so awesome.

[wax_on_wax_off]

2 issues with elf as a race choice:
1. You are doubling up on DC cost by being elf and splashing (so are 2 DC lower than a pure drow or human).
2. You don't need the bonus spell pen as you have 2 wizard PL's.

Solution: Stay pure, go human (or drow).

Capstone is just that good.

[psychonewb]

2 issues with elf as a race choice:
1. You are doubling up on DC cost by being elf and splashing (so are 2 DC lower than a pure drow or human).
2. You don't need the bonus spell pen as you have 2 wizard PL's.

Solution: Stay pure, go human (or drow).

Capstone is just that good.

I would make it just to be different, not like 2 less DC is gonna be game breaking.
And the 80 extra spell points are probably just as good as the extra human feat and some extra skill points.

Besides the guy wants to be a trapmonkey don't think he cares about the capstone. + evasion is awesome.

[Nephilia]

Yeah the real goal of this build is to be a good trap monkey and have nice DCs - SP.
I choose Elf for the elven arcanum line due to mitigate the lost of 2 lv mage and get an appreciable +2 bonus on SP (not counting the wizzys past lives).
I really want a baby who can land his necro spell without failing (or almost) against the stupid drow SR (I hate all Elf... I know, I know... it's a little bit contradictory XD)
I made some count about DC and this is what I've got :

INT SCORE: 18 base + 5 lv up + 3 enhan + 6 item + 3 tome + 3 exc + 2 nave + 2 lich = 42 for a +16 mod

DC:
necro: 10 base + 9 high + 2 feat + 16 mod + 2 item + 1 lich + 1 pl = 41 necro
ench: 10 base + 9 high + 2 feat + 16 mod + 2 item + 0 lich + 1 pl = 40 ench
conj: 10 base + 9 high + 0 feat + 16 mod + 2 item + 0 lich + 1 pl = 38 conj

So DC doesn't seems to be so nerfed with the 2 lv rogue, to me

About feats : yes necro focus is useless at lower lv but they're a pre-req to pale master and Zombie form is pretty nice while lv-ing

[psychonewb]

Since you took at level 12 Past Life: Arcane Initiate, I can't get that what would you recommend I replace it with for me since its my first wiz.

[Nephilia]

Since you took at level 12 Past Life: Arcane Initiate, I can't get that what would you recommend I replace it with for me since its my first wiz.

Extend spell imho.
It's a real nice feat and help u both enduring your buffs duration and improving the time u get heal by your death aura

[backandforth]

It looks good to me

[Calebro]

2 issues with elf as a race choice:
1. You are doubling up on DC cost by being elf and splashing (so are 2 DC lower than a pure drow or human).
2. You don't need the bonus spell pen as you have 2 wizard PL's.

Solution: Stay pure, go human (or drow).

Capstone is just that good.

I'm guessing he doesn't want to stay pure, or he'd probably have built a pure wiz. Just a thought.
And elf is actually a GREAT race for a rogue splash on a TR because they can easily and cheaply shore up the spell pen loss from the splash, while also having more build points to shore up the Con loss from the racial choice.
As for his DCs being 2 points lower: It's not like a PM has much troble with their necro DCs anyway, and he has both SF: enchant feats as well, so he won't be terribly behind there either.

My only real criticism about the build is the damage enhancements.
Frost 3, storm 3, flame 2, force 2.
If it were me, I think I'd drop the Acid lines to free up three points and make the damage lines like this:
Frost 5, storm 4, flame 3, force 1.
And possibly trade GSF: Enchant for Extend. Extend is almost a must have on a PM for the aura.

[Nephilia]

And possibly trade GSF: Enchant for Extend. Extend is almost a must have on a PM for the aura.

This is my real great doubt... extend is too much a gain to drop it so easily... and 39 ench is still a nice DC anyway

[swaix1982]

hi all
this is my build, I asked to nephilia to post it cause he use the forum much more than me.

why I'm not going for a pure wiz? cause this is my 5th life of arcane and I always had pure arcane I just wanna try something different

why elf? because of spell penetration, I hate "blue shield" and I want to be much effective than I can be.

Why GSF Ench instead of Extend? because I prefere to have 40+ DC instead of double aura contdown

Why damages enancement? this is an open point, I don't wanna be a nuker ( I got my sorc.. but I prefere to be a CC ), and I thought maybe it was better to have also a good meteor, but maybe with ur advice I can have more effectiveness on DOT..

[Calebro]

Why damages enancement? this is an open point, I don't wanna be a nuker ( I got my sorc.. but I prefere to be a CC ), and I thought maybe it was better to have also a good meteor, but maybe with ur advice I can have more effectiveness on DOT..

That was kind of my point. You're not going to be a nuker in general, so spreading the damage enhancements so thin seems a waste. You're not going to have a spell from every element slotted, and even if you do you'll never cast them all, so dropping Acid seems the obvious answer. There's 3 points.
The only spells that use force are MM, ChainM and Disintegrate. MM and ChainM are going to be used so rarely that spending an extra point there seems like a waste to me, and there really won't be that much difference between 20% and 25% against Golems, which is basically the only time you'll be casting Disintegrate. There's another point.
Those 4 points give you a slightly better WoF, and considerably better DoTs and Polar Rays, which are going to account for all of the nuking that you'll be doing I would imagine.
They still won't be top tier, but they won't be terrible either.

[Nephilia]

Another great doubt ....
How much skill I got to spend into open lock?
I really can't figure out this