Value of Ingreds (trade purposes)

[SirTeo]

Hey folks.

As far as I know most pepole on Thelanis uses this trading values on ingreds:

Exchange Rate:

LDS= 1 lds
FRDS= 2 lds
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2 Large stones= 1 lds

I think this should be changed, why? Because FRDS have got a lot more rare then it used to be
before u11. I have ran 10+ Epic velah's since the update launched, haven't seen many FRDS
in the end chest at all and according to my experience before & after U11 the droprate of reds has been
lowered significantly.I have also spoke to many peeps ingame and they have shared my opinion
so clearly I don't stand alone here ^^

Not to mention that evon6 have got a lot longer then it used to, fort increase, more breaths
even more HP? (correct me if im wrong) and ofc she's dealing more dmg as every raid boss
in the game. Although this is the same for shroud, but velah have changed more considering
it's epic.

All in all, what im trying to tell is that the value of 1 FRDS should be increased to three LDS instead
of two. Seems like a reasonble amount?

I am also aware that Im allowed to use any kind of exchange rate that comes to my mind but
to be fair this is the system most peeps are using and I want to encourage others to keep this
in mind.

Just a thought

[darkrune]

Me thinks someone has a few reds and needs lds.

[grayham]

Hello. A few thoughts....

-There is no de facto exchange rate, only a guide. After all, not everyone wants FRDS.
-LDS are still pretty rare. I would only hope for maybe 2 in 10 shroud runs, you say you haven't seen 'many' frds in 10 Vons. That's quite imprecise, but based on my experience a 1/2 ratio seems ok.
-Oh and I was always under the (informal) impression that it was something like 2/1 with sulf stones and LDS, which raises doubts on the whole idea of capturing an informal market value.

[Cyndrome]

Hmmmm. Sounds to me like someone wants more for his stash of FRDS.

In the long run, if fewer eDragons are run the value of FRDS will go up. I do not think that fewer will be the case. I do not think that the droprate has gone down appreciably. Though I can say that I have seen fewer large stones, but it could just be that I need them. If you are getting 3 stones for a scale let me know where- I'll take that deal any day.

[SirTeo]

Hello. A few thoughts....

-There is no de facto exchange rate, only a guide. After all, not everyone wants FRDS.
-LDS are still pretty rare. I would only hope for maybe 2 in 10 shroud runs, you say you haven't seen 'many' frds in 10 Vons. That's quite imprecise, but based on my experience a 1/2 ratio seems ok.
-Oh and I was always under the (informal) impression that it was something like 2/1 with sulf stones and LDS, which raises doubts on the whole idea of capturing an informal market value.

Have ran 12 or so 10+ (haven't count) in about 12 runs I've got 1 single red, maybe it's just me.. Although
looking at the loot table after each run there is less scales then im use to see in general. Sitting at
at least 200 + epic velah completions all toons together so I know how the loot table in the epic chest
looks like in general, now when I have spoke to friends and players about this many have agreed, scales
haven't dropped as they did before.

Keep this in mind when you run evon6 and maybe you too will notice. Will get back to this thread
and keep counting completions in a approx rate and see how many scales I get, if I want to bother,
we'll see... Thought more peeps would recon and let the public know

About the large stone value, sry must have remember that wrong, haha. Now when I look at it, go 2 be two.
hehe

[akiraproject24]

I agree they are much more rare frds that is. When this first came out I quickly accumulated a horde of frds to the point where I was trading em off very frequently and now....If I see one in 10 runs.....Im lucky.

[Bodic]

Just drop them on the FRDS on the AH for 1.2M they sell just fine.

[Forzah]

Maybe FRDS are more rare.. but they are also not that useful .

Did 1 run and got 1 FRDS btw, so I'm still at a 100% score.

[KraahgDaAxe]

The value of an item is based upon two things, the seller and the buyer. Myself personally I put 1 FRDS at 2 LDS, like normal, as a baseline. But LDS are the only Shroud ingredient I need anymore due to trades, so I value LSS and Shrapnel at 3 per LDS instead of 2, because I just don't need them. Don't get me started on Arrowheads either, I have enough for my next 4 GS items.

Now, just because I view the prices that way doesn't mean Joe Blow is going to view will. He might only have a few Shrapnel but plenty of LDS (lucky!) so he might be far more willing to spend his LDS then his Shrapnels.

Kraahg

[K_0tiC]

Even if the drop rates of FRDS are down be it due to less runs or lower drop rates there use is still limited to making red scale armor so if you dont need a suit or dont have a shard to make a suit they are total worthless unless used for trading to someone who has need for them. So the price wont really move since im sure alot of the people that needed them have completed 1-2 suits and the rest are just what you have laying about to trade with people for other scrolls etc.

[SirTeo]

The value of an item is based upon two things, the seller and the buyer. Myself personally I put 1 FRDS at 2 LDS, like normal, as a baseline. But LDS are the only Shroud ingredient I need anymore due to trades, so I value LSS and Shrapnel at 3 per LDS instead of 2, because I just don't need them. Don't get me started on Arrowheads either, I have enough for my next 4 GS items.

Now, just because I view the prices that way doesn't mean Joe Blow is going to view will. He might only have a few Shrapnel but plenty of LDS (lucky!) so he might be far more willing to spend his LDS then his Shrapnels.

Kraahg

I see your point.. Althought Im in no need of any ingreds what so ever, gearing my characters mostly with full epic gear, just the way I like it. I'm only using shroud ingreds + FRDS instead of platium when buying rare scrolls.

So we are not on the same page here, sadly

Forzah ; Just your usual luck rage :P


To sum it up real fast; Looks like ppl have been way too busy lvling up arties + CC to take any note.
Maybe a few more will notice in a while when things get back to normal ? Anyways.. I may just have
had bad luck, very bad luck.. But I think it is something with the drop rate, will run some more and
keep investigating this.

[biggin]

I don't really think that there will ever be a big price swing without developer input. It's no different then the stock market. If they came out and said that the drop rate was significantly lower, it would cause a market 'panic' and the rates would skyrocket. Without comment? It's just bad luck of the draw.

I ran into the same problem with Demon's Blood. I run eDA on a regular basis, but when I went to make a pair of boots for a new toon I had at a minimum of 4 of each boot ing, but no Demon's Blood. Does this mean Demon's Blood has a reduced drop rate? Should the prices go up for the server because I noticed a reduced drop rate? Of course not, simply for the fact that demand (me) is low and without the dev's saying that DB has a reduced drop rate I'm just having crappy luck.

The price may creep slightly higher because possibly less people may run it now, but for the most part the 'majority' of people farming this out either already have a set or can buy what they need with big name scrolls.