Unlock wilderness area's for F2P

[umeannothing]

Ok, I expect some flamage for this, but before you flame, at least give it a read, I will keep it short.


I am not suggesting opening up the quests in the paid wilderness areas. First and foremost on that.

I am suggesting to open up all the wilderness slayer areas to F2P so that new, returning, and existing F2P players can just get into the zones, and see what it is about.

I think sales of the 'quest packs' for the zones would likely go up if F2P players got the chance to see, hear, experience, and chat about some of what they are missing in the zones.

They wouldn't be getting into the raids/quests that are in the zones unless they did buy the quest packs, so there would be little harm.

Take Reaver's Refuge. You can get some kills, some rares, and some runes that are completely useless to you and waste your bank space unless you complete SoS right? This may sell more quest packs for the zone, and also more bank slots as well.

Same for Sands, you can farm for some gar in the wilderness area, but you cannot upgrade it without getting the packs.

I think including more F2P players into the general area, as far as a business model, would be a means of increasing overall sales myself, not to mention that you have shown you can do this with Delera's Graveyard, it is open to all pay styles, but the quests are locked out.

Well, a good day to all, time for my 9 to 5 to start.

[laurawilder]

So just unlock areas that alone can give anyone enough xp to lvl to 20 without quests if a person is patient enough and give them access to rare drops like bloodstone and mats in the vale for free. LOL.

Maybe they should just make the whole game free its not like the developers need to earn a living.

[cdemeritt]

/not signed

[madmaxhunter]

Sorry, /not signed

The wilderness areas are part of what sells the packs.

[Rubiconn]

Have to agree with the above
/not signed

The problem is as always what do you do for the people who already have paid for the pack that includes the wilderness area. VIP gets the content as part of their sub, so what are we going to offer them since they seem to be getting the shaft at every turn.IMO

[Memnir]

No flaming - just no agreeing, either.

[Elixxer]

As a f2p I am iffy on this as well.

Sure go ahead and let them sight see, but please no rewards.

[Vanquishedfo]

sorry but that is what guest passes are for. if a FTP is curious most subbers are often willing to foot the bill for one to guildies or even pug made friends who show themselves to be decent sorts. Ive taken entire groups into tangle root on my dime before and turned the lot of them into premiums who now own most of the same packs I do that I endorsed.

Giving outright access to what in some cases is a significant amount of high end loot and xp without even the need to invest in a guest pass which are cheap enough even casual ftp TP grinders can buy if they want to seems abit too much even to my often encouraging of regular content updates being made for the FTP aspect.

Maybe they could however make a temporary access to areas during seasonal events. for example during the upcoming mabar event perhaps we could allow FTP to wander into the necropolis wilderness area as abit of a seasonal promo.

They definatly need more events but I know plenty complain about how the rest of the ame slows down during them. maybe this way it would encourage a more well rounded population during them as some FTPs might well be alot more excited by the idea of exploring in a PTP area for free and even working with vets they might not normally have gotten to meet, then spend time grinding undead in Deleras.

[Bargol]

No Not signed.

What about all the people that paid to unlock the adventure areas? Do we get some sort of refund? I get you want more of the game for free. Its probably frustrating that you can't farm the desert, vale, etc when your completely F2P, but that is why many of us buy turbine points to purchase content, become VIP, or save up TP.

[sephiroth1084]

No.

[Bodic]

Add one or two to the F2P sure. Not Amarath, Cannith, Orchard, Refuge, Red Fens,Vale, Sand, Subterrane or Gianthold.

Reasoning maybe they will buy the silly 3BC pack

[Vordax]

/not signed

Unless they cannot earn slayers, rares and explorers, nor open any chests. This would allow the sightseeing the OP wanted.

Vordax

[Grifarr]

If Turbine wants the F2P people to check out these areas without having to impose on a friend for a guest pass they should implement time limited passes people can buy for themselves. That way they can test drive it without having the time milk it for max experience or rare/useful drops.

[EddieB_TBC]

eh, I don't think so.

If you really want to just "check it out" then be nice to someone in game and ask them to buy you a guest pass for an hour and a half. We have actually done this more than a couple times for some of our unsubscribed guild mates so they can get the explorer exp (they in turn usually buy a exp pot from the store or trade in a set of ebberon shards) and decide for themselves if they were ready to buy the pack. I would say GH and the vale have a much higher buy in rate than the orchard, and the desert is somewhere in between.
/shrug

[Cleanincubus]

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Same for Sands, you can farm for some gar in the wilderness area, but you cannot upgrade it without getting the packs.

Gear from the Sands rares, should not be available to F2P players (unless they want to pay plat for it). I had to pay real money to get a chance at getting some of the rare loot from there, so should everyone else. Anyone can grind favor for TP and get enough to purchase a few adventure packs. Making it any more free than that is a horrible idea.

I think including more F2P players into the general area, as far as a business model, would be a means of increasing overall sales myself, not to mention that you have shown you can do this with Delera's Graveyard, it is open to all pay styles, but the quests are locked out.

Delera's Graveyard is different. There aren't any enemies to fight (unless Mabar is going on), no rares to kill, no explorer areas to get XP from, etc. It's completely different from what you're asking for. It's like comparing Waterworks to the Black Anvil Forest (where Made to Order and A Relic of a Sovereign Past quest entrances are); one is a wilderness area and the other is not.

[Xenostrata]

A select few, maybe. For instance, the Sub should be f2p in my opinion, primarily so that Turbine doesn't have to worry about marketing logistics to put some new quests in there (having 2 raids, both in the same direction, leaves most people ignoring most of this giant area).

Orchard, vale, gh, devil battlefield, or reaver's refuge - no. I can only really see giving them low level areas (3bc, tangleroot, threnal, etc.) or the Sub for a taste of endgame content. However, I think opening the Reaver's Refuge explorers to anyone who has purchased GH would be a neat little free sample of the next step in the story.

[Garseya]

As a premium player- No

Even I can find spare points for a guest pass for my friends. I applaud having a free to play game, but it is a business and they got's families too-so I buy point cards to suppliment my favor farming.

[Sylvurdragon]

/not signed either. I've been Premium before due to financial reasons, and I have no qualms either not going into a zone that i haven't yet paid for, or shelling out some cash for something I am interested in. Friends and guildies are typically pretty open to providing you with a temp guest pass.

not flaming, just being honest

[umeannothing]

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Delera's Graveyard is different. There aren't any enemies to fight (unless Mabar is going on), no rares to kill, no explorer areas to get XP from, etc. It's completely different from what you're asking for. It's like comparing Waterworks to the Black Anvil Forest (where Made to Order and A Relic of a Sovereign Past quest entrances are); one is a wilderness area and the other is not.

Delera's Graveyard is the same. It was a locked out zone until the Mabar Festival started, enemies or no, it was a locked out, P2P zone, so it is the exact same as any other wilderness area's for the purpose of the example I used it for.

And just a side note, I also have paid for the game, and all the quest packs, so I am not suggesting this as a " ME WANTZ MOAR!!!! ME< ME< ME"

I am suggesting this as a means of increasing sales only for Turbine, mostly, so they don't have to rely on new classes as buy only for an Update cycle to raise revenue. Just an example there.

[umeannothing]

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Unless they cannot earn slayers, rares and explorers, nor open any chests. This would allow the sightseeing the OP wanted.

Vordax

This would be acceptable as a means of letting F2P players at least go visit the zone, or even just let them go to the civilized area's.

The idea is to merely let F2P players see and visit the zone'e, not to give them free reign willy nilly like.