Extend vs AB

[Orange-Silk]

So, definitively TRing my fighter into a KoTC human TWF khopesh 18 pally 2 rog build.

I'm worried about AB however, seeing how my fighter used to have to-hit problems on epics and my pally will definitively have less AB.

The feat list as it goes is:

Toughness
Prof: Khopesh
Extend
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
ICrit: Slash
PA

Now, of all those, only extend isn't completely mandatory for a DPS build so it's the only one I can play around with.

Never played a pally before, so I don't know how much of an issue it is, but, would you switch Extend for OTWF (assuming 16STR and all lvl ups)? which will do more for my char? Would the char still have to-hit problems on epics? (Or even if I keep extend, what would be the gear needed to keep the char viable?)

EDIT: Could also consider the active fighter past-life feat, but that would give even more buffs to take care of, now with less time on each, not sure I could handle that much x.x

[funkymeru]

Trying to understand why you'd want to go from a fighter to a pally =P

On topic - Although a lot of guides say that extend is optional, unless you plan on having 500+ sp, you'll be hitting on empty far before it's convenient. So pretty much you'll just end up being a fighter that does way less damage.

Consider dropping KotC and going for DoS. I recently made the switch and I feel infinitely more useful. the 6 str will really help your hit, your con wont be AS gimped (con is usually left low in twf pally builds) and the 20dr/epic panic button is incredibly handy to have.

EDIT - I ended up dropping PA on my kotc because i couldnt hit anything in epics.

[Orange-Silk]

Trying to understand why you'd want to go from a fighter to a pally =P

On topic - Although a lot of guides say that extend is optional, unless you plan on having 500+ sp, you'll be hitting on empty far before it's convenient. So pretty much you'll just end up being a fighter that does way less damage.

Consider dropping KotC and going for DoS. I recently made the switch and I feel infinitely more useful. the 6 str will really help your hit, your con wont be AS gimped (con is usually left low in twf pally builds) and the 20dr/epic panic button is incredibly handy to have.

EDIT - I ended up dropping PA on my kotc because i couldnt hit anything in epics.

Well, the main reason why I don't go DoS is because I want a DPS build and despise the tank role, and with the 75% stance extra hate I'm either the guy with aggro or doing negligible DPS. And the prereqs for DoS leave me even more feat tight, forcing me to change Extend for Shield Mastery or something like that, while indirectly losing me DPS (AP's are tight on a pally already without forcing me to take the DoS defensive prereqs).

Now, since I do plan to end up with 500ish sp (UMD means having to make a GS cha skills items, which incidentally is also an sp item and a conc opp item) would extend be all that crucial?, specially since you mention having to drop PA on a KoTC (AB is a serious issue then). Also, as a minor thing, is 14 starting con all too gimp?

[Kinerd]

The thing is, DoS can in many cases actually be better DPS than KotC. Unfortunately, you can't get that DPS without the threat increase, which conflicts with your other desires. You might not be happy with any paladin build if you're simply looking for DPS. Have you considered Hunter of the Dead? You trade niche DPS and between 0 and 6 AP for healing amp and some niche abilities/immunities.

[Orange-Silk]

The thing is, DoS can in many cases actually be better DPS than KotC. Unfortunately, you can't get that DPS without the threat increase, which conflicts with your other desires. You might not be happy with any paladin build if you're simply looking for DPS. Have you considered Hunter of the Dead? You trade niche DPS and between 0 and 6 AP for healing amp and some niche abilities/immunities.

I'm not sure what situation could favor DoS as a DPS vs KoTC on a rogue splash, even on 80% fort (that's LoB), 1d6 +11 SA dmg (that's 3 rog and 8 tharnes) beats the +3dmg/hit of DoS (specially on a TWF), unless we're talking about mobs squishy enough to die before aggro matters, and who cares then? (Granted, DoS would have more soloing potential)

The other thing about DoS is that fitting exalted smite III and the human dmg boost IV is already hard enough without having to get the DoS defensive reqs, so that would be more DPS decrease, and finally DoS leaves me even more feat-tight.

Since I won't convert to DoS since I refuse to believe pally has become a tank-only class, the actual question remains, is the trade-off of extend for OTWF worth it on epics?