Hows about this......

[xizzen]

Tempest 3 = evasion with & proficiency in medium armor. Cause I dont want to wear a robe.

[FranOhmsford]

/Signed - A million times, definitely this.

[djsonar919]

You know, there was one time when you could have evasion with heavy armor. However, there was only 10 levels at the time...

[Uska]

no it doesnt fit with tempest as it has been so far so why would it get this? Tempest is all about twf so the next tier should go along with that further.

[whitehawk74]

some evasion, yes
medium armour.... I'm thinking no.
it just doesnt feel right to me.

[Kiadox]

Somebody wants to be able to use their epic marilith chain.

[xizzen]

Somebody wants to be able to use their epic marilith chain.

lol, i can only dream

[Quarterling]

no it doesnt fit with tempest as it has been so far so why would it get this? Tempest is all about twf so the next tier should go along with that further.

This.

[xizzen]

ok then, what about as a capstone, at the moment I feel there is no real incentive for a Temp to go pure. Also, why wouldnt it fit? youre a Tempest means youre melee. Which means to me you are on the frontline, wheather that be support or main as opposed to other ranger path where, in my view, you are ranged support. Temp typically dont have the hp advantage or ability to do damage as other melee classes so why not give them better survivability.

[xizzen]

& while we re at it TWF whirlwind attack should auto doublestrike each target (1hit/weapon).

[xizzen]

ok mabye doublestrike is being used incorrectly here but you sould get what Im saying

[FranOhmsford]

So, it seems signing a suggestion is in some way neg rep worthy now.

To whoever provided said neg rep I'd love to know why?

To extend on my signing of said thread though - It's the whole Not wanting to wear a robe/outfit that I was signing.

Even so - I see no reason why a tempest {the supposed master of two weapon fighting - incl defense} shouldn't gain the ability to evade in medium {we're not talking heavy here} armour. Any way to make actually wearing armour more useful is a good thing in my book.

[Kinerd]

Would being able to evade in medium armor actually help, though? The Marilith Chain doesn't contribute that much to overall DPS, especially with fortification being added to or increased on important melee targets, and even more especially with all the other sources of Seeker these days.

You can evade in light armor. Grab some leather if you don't like robes, they seem to be graphically designed for rangers anyway.

Regarding pure vs. light splash, I still think the most effective capstone would be Improved Evasion. People don't really light splash for DPS, they do it for utility and defense. It wouldn't make much sense or be very practical for the capstone to let rangers disarm traps, so go with defense.

[xizzen]

thanks for all replies. I was only half joking about the robe. I wasnt really thinking in terms of adding dps via Marilith, someone else posted that & kinda jokingly replied. What I should have made clear is that I believe there is a lack of options for a Tempest (frontline melle) when it comes to armor. By most accounts the best option is icy & with that all you get is an addition to ac. I have been using the parasitic breastplate with +10 to reflex & I like it but for the ¨need¨ to take up the trinket slot with the symbiont. So, Ive run CC & made epic leathers which after making them decide there not worth the loss of +10 reflex. Then I made the epic cavalry which I find is great, I still got +5 to all saves even freed up trinket slot for greater bold trinket. Did epic chrono with it on & worked out pretty well I think but i did switch back to breastplate for end boss. Just dont think the Temp should have to sacrifice evasion to be able to wear decent armor.

[Uska]

ok then, what about as a capstone, at the moment I feel there is no real incentive for a Temp to go pure. Also, why wouldnt it fit? youre a Tempest means youre melee. Which means to me you are on the frontline, wheather that be support or main as opposed to other ranger path where, in my view, you are ranged support. Temp typically dont have the hp advantage or ability to do damage as other melee classes so why not give them better survivability.

Tempest should be about dealing damage not avoiding it they should get a attack speed and/or damage boost for tier III and more as a capstone melee tanks and more of the same for a capstone a to hp my ranger has well over 500 and he is a drow

[Uska]

So, it seems signing a suggestion is in some way neg rep worthy now.

To whoever provided said neg rep I'd love to know why?

To extend on my signing of said thread though - It's the whole Not wanting to wear a robe/outfit that I was signing.

Even so - I see no reason why a tempest {the supposed master of two weapon fighting - incl defense} shouldn't gain the ability to evade in medium {we're not talking heavy here} armour. Any way to make actually wearing armour more useful is a good thing in my book.

Sorry someone neg repped you but the only thing to make armor useful would be to make ac more viable



While I disagree with you +1 to off set the neg

[PNellesen]

Tempest should be about dealing damage not avoiding it they should get a attack speed and/or damage boost for tier III and more as a capstone melee tanks and more of the same for a capstone a to hp my ranger has well over 500 and he is a drow

I like the OP's suggestion, but also agree with Uska. For a Pure Tempest Ranger, there should be a melee-related Capstone, and keep the ranged Alacrity capstone for AAs (though I think you should be able to pick either one regardless of which path you take)

[FranOhmsford]

Sorry someone neg repped you but the only thing to make armor useful would be to make ac more viable



While I disagree with you +1 to off set the neg

The AC debate is for other threads of course {we all know that it's currently borked at high levels} But we're talking here about Evasion {a feat Rangers actually get - same as Rogues and Monks but at a higher lvl}.

Giving Tempest's the ability to evade in Medium Armour would give them a boost to defense for a melee toon that's low {comparatively speaking} on HPs.

This is only standard Evasion too; not Improved Evasion.

Best of all it would provide a {small} reason to actually wear armour over Robes or Outfits.

There's no reason why this small benefit would preclude also giving Tempest's a DPS benefit in Tempest III either.

My suggestion for that would be to give Tempest III Double time limit on all boosts {I'd also like to see this done for Acrobats}.

[xizzen]

Tempest should be about dealing damage not avoiding it they should get a attack speed and/or damage boost for tier III and more as a capstone melee tanks and more of the same for a capstone a to hp my ranger has well over 500 and he is a drow

Thanks again for all replies, I appreciate the comments. I agree, Tempest is about dealing damage, but would adding a speed/damage boost really be that significant in terms of setting the Tempest apart from other melee. I know Tempest is suppose to be supreme TWF but high proficiency TWF can be achieved with other classes as well. I feel medium armor evasion would give Temp a unique, signature ability. Other melee types have their own unique enhancments which make their particular class stand apart, why not the Tempest?

My halfling Temp is also over 500 unbuffed w/gear on & I know I can put another 40 on at least, but you think we can get them into the 700 - 1000hp range like other melee?