DDO store token - unlocks all 20th raid items

[Propane]

Hay peps-

Instead of just out right selling +3 tomes - instead ....

DDO store 20th Raid Token. (edit - for turn in only on your 20th, 40th, 60th, etc... raid completions)

Purchase this Token and get of complete list of ALL raid loot for from that raid.
All tomes
All times

This forces you to earn your loot - but without all the grind. People may raid more knowing that they will be able to get the extact loot or tome they want-

Thoughts?

[Shishizaru]

Hay peps-

Instead of just out right selling +3 tomes - instead ....

DDO store 20th Raid Token.

Purchase this Token and get of complete list of ALL raid loot for that raid.
All tomes
All times

This forces you to earn your loot - but without all the grind. People may raid more knowing that they will be able to get the extact loot or tome they want-

Thoughts?

Presumably you mean a token that grants the full list upon achieving your 20th? The way I initially read it was "buy token, use token, get full raid loot list, pick one." Then I read "This forces you to earn your loot," which didn't match. XD

[J1NG]

To be very honest, I too when I read the OP intially thought it's a great idea. A COMPLETE list of 20th Rewards vs a standard list of 20th Rewards, but you need to pay through the nose for it.

You then still have to run 20 runs before you can even use it.

But I do also agree with Shishizaru that after that I read bits that seemed to suggest getting a 20th Reward List for every completion instead.

But as I said, I do like the bit I wrote above instead. (Where's my blasted Torc??? 80 runs and nowhere to be seen???)

J1NG

[flaggson]

Presumably you mean a token that grants the full list upon achieving your 20th? XD

I think that this was the intention of his message yes.

[Propane]

I think that this was the intention of his message yes.

Yes -that is a good way to explain it - you can purchase a token in the DDO (or maybe with X number epic tokens) and it will grant you access to the complete loot list for turn in on your 20th completion(s) of that raid.

For the 20th, 40th, 60th, etc... runs only...

[Eso]

i will buy it if epic quests chain/epic raids drop shard as 20th epic end reward -only if them all are done on epic

[Esserbe]

This should be a standard feature, not a store thing - 20th lists should be extended to list every available item from the raid in question.

It's not impossible in the game to be shafted for 60+ runs looking for one item, but it is unreasonable.

[R0cksteady]

This should be available for free, on 20th completions. You shouldn't NEED more than 20 runs of one raid for any piece of loot.

What we SHOULD be rallying for is epic completion lists though.

[Jendrak]

After reading this I gotta say I'm not too crazy about the idea of basically selling no **** raid loot even if you have to do 20 runs.

While I completely understand the frustration on not being able to get the item your looking for after 80 runs (I never did get my seven fingered gloves for my caster) I think a better solution would be to adjust the 20th rewards list so that it doesn't give you a repeated item from the last list.

Here's what I mean, say you have 12 items from a raid and after 20 runs you get items 1-6 in your list but you looking for item 11. The next 20th list would be items 7-12 since 1-6 already appeared the first time. The system could still randomly pick which ones appeared the first time but would flag them as unavailable for the second list and pick new ones.

[R0cksteady]

After reading this I gotta say I'm not too crazy about the idea of basically selling no **** raid loot even if you have to do 20 runs.

While I completely understand the frustration on not being able to get the item your looking for after 80 runs (I never did get my seven fingered gloves for my caster) I think a better solution would be to adjust the 20th rewards list so that it doesn't give you a repeated item from the last list.

Here's what I mean, say you have 12 items from a raid and after 20 runs you get items 1-6 in your list but you looking for item 11. The next 20th list would be items 7-12 since 1-6 already appeared the first time. The system could still randomly pick which ones appeared the first time but would flag them as unavailable for the second list and pick new ones.

Wow

A million ideas I've read about completion lists

And this is the best. Maybe it's been said before but I didn't notice, but this is a GREAT idea.

[Xenostrata]

After reading this I gotta say I'm not too crazy about the idea of basically selling no **** raid loot even if you have to do 20 runs.

While I completely understand the frustration on not being able to get the item your looking for after 80 runs (I never did get my seven fingered gloves for my caster) I think a better solution would be to adjust the 20th rewards list so that it doesn't give you a repeated item from the last list.

Here's what I mean, say you have 12 items from a raid and after 20 runs you get items 1-6 in your list but you looking for item 11. The next 20th list would be items 7-12 since 1-6 already appeared the first time. The system could still randomly pick which ones appeared the first time but would flag them as unavailable for the second list and pick new ones.

What happens when you are looking for two of the same item (chaosblade, torc, sos - torc and sos mostly to have on epic and one not)?

I'd much prefer to have the full list - or at least have turbine go through and weigh the loots chance of being generated with its popularity (ie, 3x as likely to get an SoS on the end list as an Amulet of the Silver Prophecy).

[Jendrak]

What happens when you are looking for two of the same item (chaosblade, torc, sos - torc and sos mostly to have on epic and one not)?

I'd much prefer to have the full list - or at least have turbine go through and weigh the loots chance of being generated with its popularity (ie, 3x as likely to get an SoS on the end list as an Amulet of the Silver Prophecy).

Well then you would just have to run another 20 to get the loot to come back around. If you want 2 of something why should it be easier to get the second one. It's the same loot so I say do the same work. It's a hell of alot better than current chance of 80 runs and nothing we have. Also, when you put in the fact that you are still getting pulls from the chest your chances of having to do another 20 runs goes down even more.

[badbob117]

This should be a standard feature, not a store thing - 20th lists should be extended to list every available item from the raid in question.

It's not impossible in the game to be shafted for 60+ runs looking for one item, but it is unreasonable.

I have to agree with this. it should already be a game feature to have all the rewards on the list plus tomes. Chances are you will want at least one item and a bunch of tomes. So you will grind it again. No reason to sell us something that should already be in the game. I would be more worried about them diluting lists for the sole purpose of selling a item like this. No thanks!

On a side note it took me 60 runs to get my torc. So it is very probable you could be shafted 60 times. Shrug :/

[Xenostrata]

While all of these suggestions seem good, I think the actual problem with the system is that it is pretty much fact that you will be pulling your torc/SoS/etc. from the 20th reward list and not the chest itself. I'd much rather have them reevaluate drop rates in the raids than change how 20th rewards work.

[Jendrak]

While all of these suggestions seem good, I think the actual problem with the system is that it is pretty much fact that you will be pulling your torc/SoS/etc. from the 20th reward list and not the chest itself. I'd much rather have them reevaluate drop rates in the raids than change how 20th rewards work.

As long as were talking about making drop rates even for all loot and not just uping the rate for the more wanted pieces I agree it would help.

[Bobthesponge]

After reading this I gotta say I'm not too crazy about the idea of basically selling no **** raid loot even if you have to do 20 runs.

While I completely understand the frustration on not being able to get the item your looking for after 80 runs (I never did get my seven fingered gloves for my caster) I think a better solution would be to adjust the 20th rewards list so that it doesn't give you a repeated item from the last list.

Here's what I mean, say you have 12 items from a raid and after 20 runs you get items 1-6 in your list but you looking for item 11. The next 20th list would be items 7-12 since 1-6 already appeared the first time. The system could still randomly pick which ones appeared the first time but would flag them as unavailable for the second list and pick new ones.

Intruiging...

[weewoo0]

\ it's 2 months of playing.

atm the new alchemical weapons take a minimum of 6 months to finish ONE. (30 completions required at 3 days/completion) and all the stuff is btc except for the weapons themselves.
so i'm not sure that they care if its 2 months of playing....

[Esserbe]

But it's not about grinding guys, honest.

[R0cksteady]

atm the new alchemical weapons take a minimum of 6 months to finish ONE. (30 completions required at 3 days/completion) and all the stuff is btc except for the weapons themselves.
so i'm not sure that they care if its 2 months of playing....

Actually, they've admitted that was not intentional and there's changing it to put the martial and mystical power cells in chests.
They actually meant for this chain to be LESS grind than what we're used to, but more difficulty.