Devs: Justification for Homunculus treated as summon?

[Chai]

Chai,

So you are trying to tell me that for the last 4 years I've been playing a game bearing the D&D name, that's vary far from D&D? Oh my, I feel an existential crisis kicking in

P.S.: Also not consistent with PnP a way to pay $2 to my DM to revive myself or a group member inside a dungeon.

Yeah all I am saying is the "its not literal to the P&P rule" argument holds less water once we stand back and take a look at all of the things that are already not literal to the P&P rule in DDO, heh.

Alot of stuff in DDO while not literally translating from P&P to MMO are still within the spirit of D&D. I feel this is one of them. The feat looks alot more attractive to an artificer who has a pet, a summon, and a hireling for instance. If they didnt make it attractive, people wouldnt take it.

[voodoogroves]

There was that lifeguard build a while back...

In PNP you can actually take Skill Focus (Speak Language) which is, I think, the most useful feat.

[Vanquishedfo]

hate to tell you but your question is not a very well thought out one. The mere fact a feat called augment summoning effects Charmed and Hired on beings as well kind of showed the sheer diversity of the feat. All are right any less use and it would be one of a number of USELESS feats which clutter the game and cause new players to gimp themselves.

You forget that Artificer is a mage, and is using magic to contruct these beings which are not purely mechanical anymore then a warforged is. It likely will if anything need to buff the pet soon especially somewhere after lvl 14 where the mobs especially in higher dif settings really start to tear into them.

[GoldyGopher]

There was that lifeguard build a while back...

Wasn't it the "Guardian Build"?

[smeggy1384]

In PNP you can actually take Skill Focus (Speak Language) which is, I think, the most useful feat.

Now that might be useful, if they can work in a spellcheck filter. Or maybe it can translate some of what i see ingame.. Some funny looking stuff goes on.

[Vordax]

Wasn't it the "Guardian Build"?

Nope The Lifeguard, a swimcleric build.

Vordax

[red_cardinal]

It's intentional, and wasn't accidental. We had to go out of our way to make it work the way it does.

We wanted the Augment Summoning feat to be attractive to certain playstyles, which is why it affects charmed monsters and hirelings as well as actual summoned creatures. Restricted solely to summoned monsters, we felt that it's power and attractiveness was somewhere slightly above "Skill Focus: Swim". For the guy that runs around with a party full of hirelings, on the other hand, the implemented version is actually not always that bad an investment.


We wanted to be able to not feel bad about sticking it in the Wizard bonus feat list.

When do rangers get a pet or their summons revamped and treated as pets?

[Deanarth]

When do rangers get a pet or their summons revamped and treated as pets?

Best question in this thread, right there. I'd like to know when to

[GentlemanAndAScholar]

It's intentional, and wasn't accidental. We had to go out of our way to make it work the way it does.

We wanted the Augment Summoning feat to be attractive to certain playstyles, which is why it affects charmed monsters and hirelings as well as actual summoned creatures. Restricted solely to summoned monsters, we felt that it's power and attractiveness was somewhere slightly above "Skill Focus: Swim". For the guy that runs around with a party full of hirelings, on the other hand, the implemented version is actually not always that bad an investment.


We wanted to be able to not feel bad about sticking it in the Wizard bonus feat list.

Hey Eladrin,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Still makes no sense from a purist perspective, but, I can see a the argument for making the feat more attractive and worthwhile (not that Wizzies and Arti's are in any way feat starved) for some builds.

[mournbladereigns]

I'm sure it's working as intended, and I'm not complaining about that +4, but I'd also like to know WHY. You know, flavor, immersion and all those things.
I'd like to at least be able to pretend that I'm playing a D&D based game and not a Duke Nukem multiplayer clone.

Turbine House Rule /THREAD

[GoldyGopher]

Nope The Lifeguard, a swimcleric build.

Vordax

Are you sure it wasn't The Guardian?

[B0ltdrag0n]

Chai,


P.S.: Also not consistent with PnP a way to pay $2 to my DM to revive myself or a group member inside a dungeon.

See where I come from that actually is a thing in DnD =D

[Razcar]

So, my question is: why are Artificers' homunculi are treated and affected by Augment Summon feat when they are NOT a summoned creature. They're a construct built by its owner or someone built it for and "tethered" to him/her and in many respectsthey are an extension of their owners. I look through some source materials and could not find any info on homunculi treated as a summoned creature. Is it that DDO cannot differentiate between an extra-planar summon and a construct pet kind of bug or is it in place on purpose (and if so, what is the justification for it)? An explanation would be much appreciated.

Never look a gift construct in the mouth.

[GentlemanAndAScholar]

Turbine House Rule /THREAD

The problem with house rules is that w/o proper justification it just dilutes the essence of this game. Fortunately, Eladrin (above) explained why Augment Summon works the way it does. Note that I still don't agree with the rule, but at least now know the official rationale.

[GentlemanAndAScholar]

See where I come from that actually is a thing in DnD =D

oh, man. I cannot imagine the fight that would ensue if I were to pass money to my DM for in-game favors lol

[Missing_Minds]

There was that lifeguard build a while back...

It would be nice if SF:Swim actually allowed you to use your "striders" or converted your "striders" to be a xx% = +xx competent bonus to swim skill.

Swim speed really should be half your base movement, but it does not seem to be. It seems to be coded to be entirely based on swim skill rank.

[Vordax]

oh, man. I cannot imagine the fight that would ensue if I were to pass money to my DM for in-game favors lol

Well.. its not money exactly, but maybe a candy bar, a Frappacino, or something similar

Vordax

[Ovrad]

When do rangers get a pet or their summons revamped and treated as pets?

No thank you, the game's lagging enough as it is without more useless pets.

[Zenako]

No thank you, the game's lagging enough as it is without more useless pets.

Let alone the question of what Ranger would ever find room to squeeze in the Feat

[Elsheran]

Chai,

P.S.: Also not consistent with PnP a way to pay $2 to my DM to revive myself or a group member inside a dungeon.

Seriously! You've got to at least make it lunch for something like that. Now, $2 will probably get you some sloppy spell tracking, maybe a conveniently placed potion or two, or a bit more info on your knowledge or bardic lore check than normal.

Tomes are where the money is at for a PnP DM. Oh yeah! +4 Con tome? More like + Steak and shrimp for my belly!