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    if they get more $$$ they will make the game better

    quit being a leech

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthFirst View Post
    if they get more $$$ they will make the game better
    Maybe. Maybe not. Ever since they started getting more money when they originally added the Turbine store, they have added some new content, but the game is still as buggy as ever. And if I'm not mistaken, the game has actually gotten worse with bugs over the past few months.
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    The thing that bothers be is there there are other ways to work around distribution other than cracking open the pocketbooks. If the market needs more +3 tomes, then expand the 20th rewards list to include 2-3 +3 tomes guaranteed on top of the current random generated lists. +3 tomes make a huge difference on a caster. +1 to all DC's can be a large bump in the ability to run certain content. +3 tomes are raid loot, that's where they should stay. I would agree with this decision if they started dropping +5 tomes in epic raids first...but preceding this speculative event is poor form imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthFirst View Post
    if they get more $$$ they will make the game better
    I'll believe that when they fix handwraps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthFirst View Post
    if they get more $$$ they will make the game better

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    Very naive assumption.

    For the OP:

    For me Tome +3 is not problem at all. Tome +5 available only in DDO Store will be a big problem IMO.

    But this game is already too easy. I guess that Turbine don't know simple fact: When players get bored they go away to other games. And easy game is very boring game.

    In short: More Easy Buttons = More Bored Players = More leaving Customers.
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    No PvP, no "Pay to Win".

    If you have extra cash and you want to skip mindless grind, you buy experience potions or +3 tomes. What is really the difference? If PvP actually played a major role in this game, I would be against, but it doesn't. I don't care even if they sold "Completionist"-feat in the store.

    I play this game for fun and I let others do that as well. If someone rather buys the stuff, let her.
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    By easy button, are you talking about what Warforged Arcanes can do now?

    Personally, I don't really care about the +3 tomes for sale, except that it might open up more multiclass build options.

    The changes to Arcanes and the addition of Artificers have changed the game more than anything I have seen or heard of since the game came out. Of course, I could be wrong.

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    I've been premium to-date. I own everything but stopped buying content with the update 10 Xoriat pack.

    Aside from individual metas for spells (brilliant!!!), I really hate U11. No offense but I think arti's are a dumb addition. It's like they built a geeky, craftbot and said to themselves..."hmmm, this class really sucks. no worries, we'll just give it blade barrier and an annoying pet". I'm not buying the arti class or the cannith pack.

    I've basically stopped spending cash on the game because I hate the direction this game is going. I will still play DDO cause I love my guildies (I <3 you Glen and Mitchell and others!!!) and enjoy the channel runs.

    But with P2W with buying +3 stat tomes, and the sickening give-aways of welfare epics via the cove/mabar...I am no longer obsessed with min-maxing my toons. They are good enough as is to hold their own in any raid.

    So when I come back, it will be MUCH less about hard-core farming agendas/goals. And MUCH more about having fun and smashing shroud altars with impunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by furbyoats View Post
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    "+3 Stat Tomes available 10/7-10/13"

    I have disagreed that Turbine is making DDO pay to win until U11.

    After U11 I have been trying to justify the changes by looking for the lack of using the available tactics in game.

    Now I have no argument against the statement. You are killing the game guys.

    Never EVER sell power, or you create a gap between players that earn their toon and players that break out the plastic. I understand you are in it to make money, but players like me see this is a lazy attempt to make a profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by furbyoats View Post
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    "+3 Stat Tomes available 10/7-10/13"

    I have disagreed that Turbine is making DDO pay to win until U11.

    After U11 I have been trying to justify the changes by looking for the lack of using the available tactics in game.

    Now I have no argument against the statement. You are killing the game guys.

    Never EVER sell power, or you create a gap between players that earn their toon and players that break out the plastic. I understand you are in it to make money, but players like me see this is a lazy attempt to make a profit.
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    Default The Worst part...

    Is that it will make it harder to tell if someone is a noob or not. I think if more than 10% of your normal gear is store bought you should have a translucent green $ symbol over your head so potential party members know that you like easy buttons and can adjust playstyle accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OpallNotten View Post
    +3's are Raid Loot......there should be NO option to purchase Raid Loot.

    For those who opt to use the 'easy button'....
    Those tomes will NOT make you a better player. <------Period!
    Ah, but it will make you indistinguishable from a better player, at least long enough to get you into the raid :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewndyn View Post
    Is that it will make it harder to tell if someone is a noob or not. I think if more than 10% of your normal gear is store bought you should have a translucent green $ symbol over your head so potential party members know that you like easy buttons and can adjust playstyle accordingly.
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    Just saw this today- totally lame, Turbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vittordevittor View Post
    some folks work IRL and dont have time do play a lot. its good to equalize things and make everyone have a chance!
    So should they also put +4 tomes, raid loot, epic scrolls/shard/seals, GS cleansing items, and the new power cells to upgrade weapons in the store as well?

    the most annoying thing about it is, if you have completed numerous 20th raid runs, you know that you can get hosed on not only tomes, but the raid loot you are looking for. Instead of addressing this very poorly implemented mechanic, they opt to offer a sale. They should implement a mechanic, where your chance of receiving a particular item increases with every time it does not drop...or expand the list to include all possibilities on the 40th runs. Anything is better than a completely randomly generated list of X number of items when there are X+N number of items that drop from the raid. People run tod over 80 times without getting the ring they are looking for, that's 4 generated lists of raid only loot that they still get hosed on. How on earth is it fair to offer raid loot in the store (guaranteed), when people run the raids like they are supposed to (numerous times) and still come up short because of a **** roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teh_meh View Post
    I've been premium to-date. I own everything but stopped buying content with the update 10 Xoriat pack.

    Aside from individual metas for spells (brilliant!!!), I really hate U11. No offense but I think arti's are a dumb addition. It's like they built a geeky, craftbot and said to themselves..."hmmm, this class really sucks. no worries, we'll just give it blade barrier and an annoying pet". I'm not buying the arti class or the cannith pack.

    I've basically stopped spending cash on the game because I hate the direction this game is going. I will still play DDO cause I love my guildies (I <3 you Glen and Mitchell and others!!!) and enjoy the channel runs.

    But with P2W with buying +3 stat tomes, and the sickening give-aways of welfare epics via the cove/mabar...I am no longer obsessed with min-maxing my toons. They are good enough as is to hold their own in any raid.

    So when I come back, it will be MUCH less about hard-core farming agendas/goals. And MUCH more about having fun and smashing shroud altars with impunity.
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    I'm adopting the smash shroud altars policy, along with abundant DC 38 grease so there can be no doubt that I did it - though I only shroud on my 8 STR bard now so the smashing is more of a light tap and a high-pitched squeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by furbyoats View Post
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    "+3 Stat Tomes available 10/7-10/13"

    I have disagreed that Turbine is making DDO pay to win until U11.

    After U11 I have been trying to justify the changes by looking for the lack of using the available tactics in game.

    Now I have no argument against the statement. You are killing the game guys.

    Never EVER sell power, or you create a gap between players that earn their toon and players that break out the plastic. I understand you are in it to make money, but players like me see this is a lazy attempt to make a profit.

    /Disagree

    A good player is good independent of gear, a bad player is bad no matter what gear they have. At best gear may make a bad player mediocre, maybe, as I've seen players decked out in red armor who play like noobs.

    Not saying I agree with Turbine, just don't agree with your assessment that selling these tomes represents selling power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengenance View Post
    /Disagree

    A good player is good independent of gear, a bad player is bad no matter what gear they have. At best gear may make a bad player mediocre, maybe, as I've seen players decked out in red armor who play like noobs.

    Not saying I agree with Turbine, just don't agree with your assessment that selling these tomes represents selling power.
    Selling power refers to making transactions available for money that give you an advantage in performance over players that do not spend money and grind for it. Watch the video that I just posted, the guy makes a solid case for how micro transaction games should be run. +2 tomes are on a different scale because they can be found rather easily from quest rewards alone. +3 tomes are only found in a few raids....that's it! That is what is meant by selling power. On the same token I would completely support removing SP pots from the DDO store as well...this won't happen because it's a moneymaker.

    Also, being able to bump a 41 necro DC to a 42 is a pretty big deal when it comes to end game content (numbers randomly selected). If they want more +3 tomes in the market, then increase drop rates in the raids, not drop rates in the store.
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